# Spam calls stopped? New STIR/SHAKEN phone standand aims to end spoofed Caller-ID **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 1, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429 "2021-07-01T13:49:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/1 "2021-07-01T13:49:53Z")
It looks like the FCC is rolling out a new standard for phone networks which is designed to ensure that the Caller-ID you see on your phone is valid. This should greatly limit the ability for spammers to operate and should make it a lot easier to block spammers. Currently, spammers can put whatever they want in the Caller-ID. It’s why you get spam calls which have random Caller-ID numbers. But with STIR/SHAKEN the number is validated as it passes through the phone networks as actually originating from that number. The phone network will know if the number has been spoofed or not. Just like you can set your phone to block anonymous calls, you should also be able to have your phone block unverified Caller-ID calls. > **[Combating Spoofed Robocalls with Caller ID Authentication](https://www.fcc.gov/call-authentication)** > > Caller ID authorization is a new system aimed at combating illegal caller ID spoofing. Such a system is critical to protecting Americans from scam spoofed robocalls and would erode the ability of callers to illegally spoof a caller ID, which scam... ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/2 "2021-07-01T13:53:25Z")
Looks like the final phase of this was implemented yesterday. I’ll report back if I get any spam calls. I think the main question is, how much will the carriers charge me to take advantage of this? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/3 "2021-07-01T14:18:15Z")
I’m certain it won’t take spammers long to find a way around it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/4 "2021-07-01T14:50:20Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Looks like the final phase of this was implemented yesterday. I’ll report back if I get any spam calls. I don’t think it’s fully in place yet: > The Wednesday deadline set by the FCC is only for major carriers — smaller carriers with fewer than 100,000 subscribers will be exempt until June 30th, 2023, though the FCC [is considering shortening that timespan (pdf)](https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-373714A1.pdf). The major carriers that haven’t certified themselves as compliant may face an unspecified “appropriate enforcement action” from the FCC and will run into even more trouble come September. Beginning September 28th, [according to the FCC (pdf)](https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/062199369474/DA-21-727A1.pdf), carriers will have to stop accepting traffic from providers that aren’t in the robocall database — it’s hard to imagine customers being too happy that they’re not able to reach their friends or family who are on T-Mobile or Verizon. So really it’s not until end of September that it will actually block it. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/5 "2021-07-01T14:59:09Z")
Well, so far, so good in terms of spam calls today. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/6 "2021-07-01T15:56:39Z")
This is the best news I’ve heard in a long time!!! ---
**Author:** ![cincinnatus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cincinnatus/32/7990_2.png) [@cincinnatus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/7 "2021-07-01T21:07:29Z")
I received two spam calls just now while reading this thread and linked site. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/8 "2021-07-01T23:13:05Z")
I got a bunch today, but NoMoRobo blocked them all. We’ll see when they stop accepting traffic in September. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/9 "2021-07-02T17:50:28Z")
I got a random call yesterday, ID’d as “Cambodia.” Didn’t answer, no message left. I assume it was spam or a call-back scam. I didn’t call back. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/10 "2021-07-02T18:00:03Z")
I’ve had several on my cell phone (with AT&T as the carrier) in recent months where the caller ID says “Spam Risk”. I thought about answering and, playing dumb, asking them what sort of Spam they sell. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/11 "2021-07-02T19:31:30Z")
The Risk brand, DUH. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/12 "2021-07-03T00:19:06Z")
I’m also getting “probable spam” IDs on my carrier. It’s handy. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/13 "2021-07-08T11:37:32Z")
4 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Grundig Posts](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grundig-posts/945967/4) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/14 "2021-07-06T16:37:32Z")
God, I hope this works. I’ve lost a serious amount of my life answering these Stoopid calls and deleting thousands of emails and texts. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/15 "2021-07-06T16:38:06Z")
I assumed this would be a discussion on the proper way to prepare various cocktails. This is more disappointing than a martini made with that _New Amsterdam_ gin. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/17 "2021-07-06T16:44:09Z")
Already being discussed over here: > [@Spam calls stopped? New STIR/SHAKEN phone standand aims to end spoofed Caller-ID](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429): > > It looks like the FCC is rolling out a new standard for phone networks which is designed to ensure that the Caller-ID you see on your phone is valid. This should greatly limit the ability for spammers to operate and should make it a lot easier to block spammers. Currently, spammers can put whatever they want in the Caller-ID. It’s why you get spam calls which have random Caller-ID numbers. But with STIR/SHAKEN the number is validated as it passes through the phone networks as actually origina… [Comcast/Xfinity evidently has been using it since at least April](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-call-lists/940218/38) and we’ve noticed a decline in spoofed numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/19 "2021-07-06T16:57:01Z")
I’ve asked for this thread to be merged with the previous one. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/20 "2021-07-06T17:56:43Z")
I’m still waiting for Candy to implement something like this. I’ve already received two calls today from the Canada Revenue Agency telling me that my Social Insurance Number is about to be arrested before a Magistrate Court. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/21 "2021-07-06T19:46:21Z")
Canada, not Candy. Stupid autocorrect…. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429/22 "2021-07-06T23:12:38Z")
Oh. I thought that was a clever nickname for Canada. I liked it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spam-calls-stopped-new-stir-shaken-phone-standand-aims-to-end-spoofed-caller-id/945429.md?page=2)