# Spanish translation help **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 22, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339 "2017-08-22T07:38:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/1 "2017-08-22T07:38:08Z")
I’d like if someone could accuracy-check the following translation for me: English: “We no longer believe”, or “We don’t believe anymore” Spanish: “Nosotros no creemos nunca mas”? “Nosotros creemos” was a Kansas City Royals motto in 2003, and it means “We believe”. I’m writing an article about the Royals team of the following year, which was utter garbage, so I want to transform that motto as above. I used Google translate to produce the above, but I’m unsure of how correct it is, because I know that “mas” means “more” in the sense of a greater amount of something, but I don’t know if it’s correctly used in translating the English “anymore”. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/2 "2017-08-22T09:29:18Z")
Non-native speaker here, but I would say “Ya no creemos.” ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/3 "2017-08-22T09:50:52Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Non-native speaker here, but I would say “Ya no creemos.” Native speaker here. “Ya no creemos” is correct. “Nosotros no creemos nunca más”, if anything, would mean something like “we have stopped believing and never ever again will we believe anything”. A tad excessive, I’d say… also, the “nosotros” is redundant; Spanish codifies the information about the subject in the verb, thus 90% of the time you don’t bother using personal pronouns. TL;DR: “Ya no creemos” is a perfectly cromulent translation into Spanish. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/4 "2017-08-22T13:22:05Z")
But will that accomplish the OP’s intention to parallel the team’s motto? ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/5 "2017-08-22T17:00:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > But will that accomplish the OP’s intention to parallel the team’s motto? Yes. But if he means to parallel exactly the original motto with the superfluous “nosotros”, he can keep it. It would be “Nosotros creemos” vs “Nosotros ya no creemos”. (But, again – in both sentences, the “nosotros” is 100% superfluous). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/6 "2017-08-22T17:37:33Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > … > > (But, again – in both sentences, the “nosotros” is 100% superfluous). Grammatically speaking, yes. But call it journalistic/poetic license to make a point. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/7 "2017-08-22T17:53:56Z")
Thanks, all! ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spanish-translation-help/794339/8 "2017-08-22T18:34:02Z")
Just a +1 to what **JoseB** said, and a remark that having the _nosotros_ emphasizes it a lot: WE don’t believe any more. It isn’t just a matter of writing style, it changes the sentence.