# Spare me the doe-eyed children pontificating on global warming **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886 "2007-07-07T18:40:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/21 "2007-07-08T06:19:34Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] I couldn’t have worded it better. People who use kids as tools are _tools_ themselves. [/QUOTE] Who else is going to mow the lawn and do the dishes? Isn’t that what procreation is all about? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Captain\_C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_C)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/22 "2007-07-08T06:31:10Z")
[QUOTE=ParentalAdvisory] Who else is going to mow the lawn and do the dishes? Isn’t that what procreation is all about? [/QUOTE] You’re thinking of marriage. _ducks and runs_ ---
**Author:** ![essell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/34f0e0/32.png) [@essell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/essell)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/23 "2007-07-08T12:58:21Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] Clearly, the people who are putting on Live Earth, as evidenced by your [two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=427854) whiny threads you have started on the subject in the last couple of hours. Just turn off your damn TV and take a walk or something. Unless it’s too hot out. [/QUOTE] You really want to encourage people to turn a blind eye to the methods, attitudes and actions of groups with power, money and influence ? The environmental movement is as worthy of our [vigilance](http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2283) as any other group with an agenda. And sometimes vigilance is just yelling about them! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/24 "2007-07-08T13:05:57Z")
[QUOTE=essell] You really want to encourage people to turn a blind eye to the methods, attitudes and actions of groups with power, money and influence ? [/QUOTE] Compared to the oil interests, the environmental lobby has negligible power, money OR influence . ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/25 "2007-07-08T14:46:46Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] Compared to the oil interests, the environmental lobby has negligible power, money OR influence . [/QUOTE] Exactly. So why hand the oil interests or the administration yet another competitive advantage by letting only them have children in their political advertising? ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/26 "2007-07-08T14:47:36Z")
Is Frito-Lay responsible for all your back pain? You’ve got a GIGANTIC [chip](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8754953&postcount=6) on your [shoulder](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=427854). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/27 "2007-07-08T14:55:13Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] Exactly. So why hand the oil interests or the administration yet another competitive advantage by letting only them have children in their political advertising? [/QUOTE] I don’t see where I advocated that. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/28 "2007-07-08T16:15:18Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] So why hand the oil interests or the administration yet another competitive advantage by letting only them have children in their political advertising? [/QUOTE] We must act today to meet the threat of an ever-widening children gap! Won’t anyone think of the car companies? ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/29 "2007-07-08T16:25:27Z")
[QUOTE=kung fu lola] Is Frito-Lay responsible for all your back pain? You’ve got a GIGANTIC [chip](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8754953&postcount=6) on your [shoulder](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=427854). [/QUOTE] I am not sure what you mean. I don’t have any back pain. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/30 "2007-07-08T16:38:42Z")
Personally I really despise heart-tugging pieces in general, but you’d be surprised at what small kids will pick up regarding adult issues. At age 3, my kids already know a little about nutrition, i.e. carbohydrates (“cah-bo-hi-day”) and proteins, and junk food. And racism, unfortunately, thanks to the mo-fos at Disney (and my foolishness in borrowing _The Lion King_ from the library). Fortunately (sort of) our online sex offender registry is almost all WHITE men, so that was a handy two-fer lesson. Sure, those kids in the ads probably needed some coaching to speak on-camera, but it’s not at all difficult to imagine them being genuinely aware of AGW. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/31 "2007-07-08T17:31:34Z")
And afraid of it. Nothing helps your kids grow up strong and healthy like learning to be afraid of everything in life. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/32 "2007-07-08T19:00:47Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] And racism, unfortunately, thanks to the mo-fos at Disney (and my foolishness in borrowing _The Lion King_ from the library). Fortunately (sort of) our online sex offender registry is almost all WHITE men, so that was a handy two-fer lesson. . [/QUOTE] Racism from the Lion King? Where there are no humans at all? :dubious: And what does the sex-offender registry have to do with Disney? ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/33 "2007-07-08T19:24:50Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] Racism from the Lion King? Where there are no humans at all? :dubious: And what does the sex-offender registry have to do with Disney? [/QUOTE] Color me 😕 . ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/34 "2007-07-08T21:45:07Z")
[QUOTE=newcrasher] Color me 😕 . [/QUOTE] a-HA! ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/35 "2007-07-08T21:56:09Z")
Sorry to be vague — it’s just that little ones DO pick up on all kinds of stuff. They’ll ask questions about everything, like someone looking over your shoulder (actually, they often DO literally watch over my shoulder). I haven’t watched the evening news in years now. I can’t even watch _Supernanny_ while they’re awake, because they immediately begin to imitate the bad behavior. So, it isn’t surprising at all that parents who are concerned about the environment would raise kids who are, too. Not that it necessarily makes it right to USE them - they DON’T know enough to really understand the political and socio-economic implications of AGW. /hijack Re: Disney, ALL their villains are dark. The good guys are lighter. Even among animals - the grey hyenas and the dark-maned lion are the bad guys in _The Lion King_. And maybe that’s forgivable in terms of older work, but you’d think they’d know better by now. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/36 "2007-07-09T00:27:25Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] Re: Disney, ALL their villains are dark. The good guys are lighter. Even among animals - the grey hyenas and the dark-maned lion are the bad guys in _The Lion King_. And maybe that’s forgivable in terms of older work, but you’d think they’d know better by now. [/QUOTE] Dude, you need help. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/37 "2007-07-09T01:31:49Z")
Well, **fessie** , I’m afraid that if you think that’s racist, you must realize that to eliminate that factor, you must eliminate from our society the idea that the color white (NOT skin color) = good (angels’ robes) and the color black = evil (vampires’ robes, night). I’m afraid you won’t have much success. [QUOTE=Fear Itself] Compared to the oil interests, the environmental lobby has negligible power, money OR influence . [/QUOTE] So are you saying we shouldn’t care because they’re relatively powerless anyway, and it won’t make any difference, or that we shouldn’t care because they need to co-opt the tactics of the other side in order to make a difference, or that we shouldn’t care because they’re in the right, and the ends justify the means? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/38 "2007-07-09T01:40:17Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] Re: Disney, ALL their villains are dark. The good guys are lighter. Even among animals - the grey hyenas and the dark-maned lion are the bad guys in _The Lion King_. And maybe that’s forgivable in terms of older work, but you’d think they’d know better by now. [/QUOTE] You mean like the rather pale queen in _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs_ ? And they don’t get much paler than Cruella de Vil. Admittedly, the witch Maleficent from _Sleeping Beauty_ is dark. She’s also green. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/39 "2007-07-09T01:53:29Z")
You shittin me? I thought this was pretty well known. When was the last time you saw a fair blond villain? I’m probably exaggerating to say every SINGLE one, but it’s close. Good old wiki: [Here’s Cinderella’s evil stepmother (caucasian, yes, but dresses in black/purple)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_%28Snow_White_and_the_Seven_Dwarfs%29#Disney_version) [Stromboli, from Pinocchio.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromboli_%28Pinocchio%29) [Some deer named “Ronno” from Bambi.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronno) [Peter and the Wolf](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_and_the_Wolf) [Lady Tremaine from Cinderella (another caucasian in dark clothes)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Tremaine) [Peter Pan’s Captain Hook is pretty swarthy.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PeterpanRKO.jpg) [Maleficient from Sleeping Beauty.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleficent) [Cruella de Ville, from 101 Dalmations](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruella_de_Vil) [Professor Ratigan, from something called “The Great Mouse Detective”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ratigan.jpg) [Ursula, from The Little Mermaid.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ursula.png) Hey, [here’s their own Top 30 villains list](http://www.ultimatedisney.com/countdown4/index.htm). Not a blond in the bunch – almost all the villains have dark skin / dark hair / black or purple clothes. Most of the movie posters I clicked on had dark villains and dark colors on the bottom, and light colors and light heroes on the top. I thought that was what was so cool when _Star Wars_ came out - those WHITE stormtroopers! ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886/40 "2007-07-09T02:00:37Z")
In fact, Disney is just now introducing its FIRST EVER black princess, [“The Frog Princess”.](http://www.independent.co.uk/arts/film/news/article2344777.ece) Have you seen all the Disney Princess merchandise out there? Clothes and toys and bed linens. Do you realize that any little black girls who want to be princesses end up staring at these white faces? Why should that be? [Here’s the poster for “The Lion King”.](http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0110357/fcs_JY25_1_03.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0110357&seq=9) There IS one good, black monkey (sort of the Jar Jar Binks of the film). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spare-me-the-doe-eyed-children-pontificating-on-global-warming/410886.md?page=3)