Z:
The problems you describe; attitude and motivation are the ones a good manager can have the moset impact on. As can a poor manager.
If you’re defining a ghetto as a low income area, why would you ask what we would expect the income to be?
You may be surprised to know that you’ve drawn a remarably clear picture of what it must be like to eat or work in your restaurant.
Mr.Z,[list=A][li]I’m with Scylla. You’ve made it abundantly clear why morale is so low at your restaurants. You expect people who are bright and cheery, intelligent and ambitious, etc., but who also want to work in a restaurant.[/li]
Hello? Are you paying $12 an hour, or grudgingly relinquishing minimum wage?
The boss sets the tone in the workplace. I have no doubt, based on the detrimental attitued you’ve so clearly displayed here that these kinds of problems will plague you all the rest of your working days.
I have in my day worked in restaurants, and in similar positions in different areas–nurseries, pet shops, bookstores, etc.–and I know exactly what kind of boss you are: the kind of boss that inspires disloyalty and grumbling, and who makes it abundantly clear that my best work will be wasted and unappreciated here.
If you presume the best of your employees, sincerely, that’s what you will receive. There will be some bad apples, sure, but your problems with your workforce will continue to be in direct proportion to your bad attitude.
[li]No cite, but a few years ago a major medical organizaion–the AMA or some such outfit–conducted a study that determined that doctors who have good bedside manners don’t tend to get sued for malpractice. Doctors perceived by their patients to be distant, not good listeners, uncaring, abrupt, etc.–I even remember something about the frequency of a doctor’s smile being significant in the study–get sued over and over again.[/li]
I have no doubt that if I worked for you I’d be uninspired to give 110% (which is what you demand; 100% apparently not being good enough) and I’d probably jump at the opportunity to sue your boss-from-hell ass.
The word is imply, not infer.[/list]
FWIW, I am following the thread, but it’s moving at a clip I can’t keep up with today. Suffice it to say that I think you know where I stand on such issues of equality, and some of the arguments presented here make me even more sure of that stance. YMMV, as always.
I will comment at some point in more detail when time permits.
Esprix
I’ve worked four restaurant jobs in my life: Domino’s, Papa John’s, Pizza Hut, and Subway. They ran the range from horrible (Subway: the manager was a micromanaging jerk who assumed his employees were incompetent, so they lived down to his expectations; paying subminimum wage because he could get away with it added to the insult. I left this job after two months) to excellent (Papa John’s: you got the impression that the manager actually cared about you and wouldn’t screw you over. I only left that job, reluctantly, because I had to move).
BTW, of the restaurants I worked for, Papa John’s was the most profitable of the entire lot, and that manager was being actively courted by several restaurant owners – he was getting offers of $60,000/year and up to run stores. The Subway store went under. Terrorizing your employees is not profitable.
I’m just behaving as any pink penis would do.
Marc
Again, Marc, your post indicates that you have not read the thread in its entirety. You are raising a point that has been raised–twice–and dealt with–twice.
I heard the explanation and it was weak. But what the heck? It isn’t a big deal.
Marc
the paramedic not only still has a job, but has been promoted, and the city is appealing the decision in the belief that nothing wrong occured.
tyra banks is still dead last i heard.
this case has a happier ending than most in light of the court decision. brandon teena’s mother for example won ~$30,000 for the loss of her child. those are the only two deaths i know of that resulted in any compensation whatsoever.
Yes, a loan is an investment in the future income stream of the debtor. It is not an investment in any collateral put up to guarantee the loan. The collateral is merely a surety offered to the creditor to encourage the creditor to offer a lower interest rate by reducing the lender’s risk of loss in the event that the debtor’s future income stream is inadequate to pay back the loan.
An investment in real property would be buying (or leasing) such property and then either using it to produce income (active investment), leasing it to someone else to collect rent or holding it for future sale at appreciated value (passive investment). Clearly, this does not describe a residential mortgage. The bank is betting on the future ability of the debtor to earn income, not on the ability of the property to produce income for the bank.
Do you know the difference between a stock, a bond, and a note?
Zambezi and Scylla misconstrued what I said, and I clarified what I said. There was no “explanation.” You’re objecting to the misconstruction of what I said, so you’re objecting to something that was never, in fact, said. You may or may not disagree with what I actually said, but I guess we’ll never know because you’re off in a corner by yourself worrying a dead-end tangent to death.
People don’t just get the idea to sue people at random. If you’re getting suit threats, it’s because your company engaged in questionable conduct. It may not have been illegal conduct, but it’s at least questionable.
Why do you need to look at neighborhood to determine income and credit? You’re going to get this information anyway. Location is a superfluous factor that adds little in the terms of legitimate discriminatory ability when income and credit history are already independently included in the analysis.
Kelly, I dont really have anything to argue with you about concerning the definition you ave. My only point on the whole loan and insurance thing was that their is going to be a strong correlation between low income, poor credit and race in some low income neighborhoods. If you plot all of the houses insured or mortgaged by a given company on a map, it may indeed look like a racist policy. I am almost always against government telling a business who do do business with. That’s all.
FTR, I do not work in a restaurant. I work in an office. And you can suppose how I treat my employees all day long. But let me ask, is it a managers problem if his employee continues to make 45 minutes of personal calls per day after 4 write ups? IS it the managers responsiblity for the 4 facial piercings she got (including one in her tongue that makes her talk funny–and she is a telephonic customer service rep.)? There are some people that, when given responsibility, freedom and flexibility, will grow and be stars. I have one of those. There are others that will take advantage of you.
Iif the person is the latter and is the correct color, she gets a lot more breaks. If that person is whit, I can can him on the spot. It is not equal (at least in “at will states”
people sue for many reasons. Some suits are to change things, others are punitive. But most are for money. What I usually hear is “you served me cold coffee intentionally because I am black. Give me my meal free or I will sue.” Or “you put pork in the gravy to harm muslims, I want $10,000 right now.”
You have to understand that I see every single claim for the country. there are 258 restaurants.
the one bona fide case we had where a server allegedly spit in the food, was due more to the fact that the customer had recently arrested the employee than the fact that he was hispanic.
As for EPL, teh claims are all over the board. We only have about 20 pending. Generally, they are people not getting along well. A trans racial personality conflict can easy be preceived as a racial issue.
I really hate to sound like a broken record but what do either of these things have to do with hate crime legislation? Both of your examples are civil not criminal.
You still haven’t shown that crimes against transgendered, homosexuals, or other minorities are not investigated. You have not shown me that people who do these things have nothing to fear from the prosecutors office. (Beyond the normal criminal who doesn’t seem to fear conviction at the time of the crime.)
And yes I understand in Brandon Teena’s case the sheriff was more interested in his status as a transexual/gender, whatever you call it, then he was in the actual rape charges. But one case doesn’t show me a general attitude of law enforcement in this country.
I don’t mean to come off as a hard ass here. This is an important issue and with all important issues there’s a lot of emotions involved. I don’t want to give the impression that I’m indifferent or uncaring. I do care what happens to others and I take crimes like assault and murder very seriously regardless of the victims identity. (Someone will be very happy I didn’t say irregardless.)
Marc
Surely you don’t mean Tyra Banks, the supermodel?
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*Originally posted by lissener *
**Mr.Z,[list=A][li]I’m with Scylla. **[/li][/QUOTE]
::Scratches head::
That doesn’t happen too often. 
I was riding home on the Metro last night, and thinking about this thread, and the concept of gays, blacks and women “not working” for their share of the pie.
Then I got to thinking about women not being allowed to vote until 130 years into this nation’s history. And not being allowed to control their reproduction until nearly halfway through this century. And not being allowed to own property.
And I thought of freed blacks after the war being effectively re-enslaved by sharecropping. And of being murdered for whistling at white women. And having police dogs and firehoses turned on them for peacefully standing up for their rights.
And I thought of homosexuals being mocked, shamed, slandered and murdered simply for being who they are, for daring to love someone of the same gender. And being disallowed the same rights to share their lives with their loved ones like everyone else.
Then I thought of how, culturally, white men in general have had to put up with none of this, simply by virtue of being white men.
Haven’t worked for it? I’d say they’ve bloody well earned it.
my apologies, i often do that for some reason. i mean of course tyra hunter.
Kellym said
I see. The fact that a suit is filed proves misconduct. Res ipsa loquitor. Well hell, why bother with a trial?
this just in i have right here, a claim alleging that the clmt found a screw in her salad. THe damages are, according ot the claimant “you racially discriminated against us by intentionally placing a screw in teh salad because my husband is black”
pld are you suggesting that whites were never indentured servants, never sharecroppers? Tha italians weren’t hanged during the “death to degos” riot in Denver? That Hngarians, Lithuanians, the Polish, the Irish were never discriminated against?
Nope, I’m suggesting no such thing. But you’ll notice that all of those groups eventually got to be “white,” as it were, with “white” being a code word for “largely immune to the prejudices of natural origin, gender and skin color.” (There is, in fact, a book on the topic: [url="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415918251/o/qid=972062814/sr=2-1/103-6641961-3594267"How the Irish Became White, by Noel Ignatiev.) And they could get away with it because they were white, and could blend. Can’t identify the Irish by sight, after all.
So when do black people get to be “white”? Or gays? How much more do they have to do to “work for it”?