# Spectre is the official name of Bond 24 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 4, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339 "2014-12-04T19:46:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/1 "2014-12-04T19:46:31Z")
So much to talk about… Here’s the full announcement press conference: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khljj3VKAw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khljj3VKAw) Here’s the teaser poster: [https://twitter.com/007/status/540548887732563968](https://twitter.com/007/status/540548887732563968) Here’s the Ashton Martin DB10: [https://twitter.com/007/status/540481679392256003](https://twitter.com/007/status/540481679392256003) Everyone from Skyfall (except for the obvious person) will be back in Spectre. They’ll be joined by… Christoph Waltz as Oberhauser (the villain) David Bautista as Mr Hinx (his Oddjob-like henchman) Léa Seydoux as Madeleine Swann and Monica Bellucci as Lucia Sciarra (the Bond girls) Andrew Scott (Moriarty from Sherlock) as Denbigh (an MI6 agent) Christoph Waltz is not playing Blofeld (officially), but I have a theory about that. But what does everyone think of the news? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/2 "2014-12-04T19:55:52Z")
I think Daniel Craig for all his virtues in the role is too old to play Bond. But otherwise, cool! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/3 "2014-12-04T20:06:02Z")
I think Daniel Craig is the best bond yet. With all due respect to Sean Connery. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/4 "2014-12-04T20:07:31Z")
Craig is the only Bond I have actually liked. So yay! Also loved Ben Whishaw’s Q. I’ve been wanting to see Andrew Scott in more things ever since Sherlock, so yay on that too! Overall? This may be the first Bond movie I pay to see in the theatre. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/5 "2014-12-04T20:17:28Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > I think Daniel Craig for all his virtues in the role is too old to play Bond. For comparison’s sake… Craig is 46 today Pierce Brosnan was 48-49 the last time he played Bond in Die Another Day Roger Moore was 57-58 the last time he played Bond in A View To A Kill ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/6 "2014-12-04T20:19:42Z")
I’m concerned about the attempt to repeat, rather than reinvent, the ‘formula’. _Skyfall_ was vary popular but dramatically the weakest of the Craig Bond films to date, with logic and plot holes that one could fly a giant, laser-equipped zeppelin through; in fact minus the Solex Agitator and J.W. Pepper, it was plotwise largely a remake of one of the shittiest Bond films ever made, _The Man With The Golden Gun_. _Skyfall_ is essentially a live-action extended version of _Archer_ “Heart of Archness” without the (intentional) humor, which has the Bond franchise slipping back into the same kind of self-parody it was in the early Moore or all of the Brosnan eras. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/7 "2014-12-04T20:21:11Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > For comparison’s sake… > > Craig is 46 today > Pierce Brosnan was 48-49 the last time he played Bond in Die Another Day > Roger Moore was 57-58 the last time he played Bond in A View To A Kill Not to mention Sean Connery, who was 52 in _Never Say Never Again_. So silly that that movie is intentionally left out of the Bond canon by some. Not that it was particularly good, but there are arguably worse Bond movies. Yes, they were all too old for the role. I like Donald Craig the best among all Bond actors as well. But I still think he’s too old for the role these days. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/8 "2014-12-04T20:55:47Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Last edited by Knorf; Today at 12:23 PM… Reason: removed irrelevant comma Dude, you proofread that post and all you found was a comma? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/9 "2014-12-04T20:58:51Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Dude, you proofread that post and all you found was a comma? 😃 I was in a hurry. Stuff happenin’, stuff not on the SDMB. No one’s perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/10 "2014-12-04T21:20:21Z")
Just teasing; I wish I’d never made any mistakes worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/11 "2014-12-04T21:43:23Z")
If they’re bringing back S.P.E.C.T.R.E., then you have to suspect that Ernst Stavro Blofeld is coming back, too. Certainly Roger Moore seems to think so. For years use of Blofeld has been held up because of legal issues – the NcClory people still held title to it, which is why the Bad Guy in _The Spy Who Loved Me_ couldn’t be Blofeld, but had to be Stromberg (they REALLY wanted Blofeld). And why, when they killed off the Bald Guy with the White Cat in _For Your Eyes Only_, they couldn’t name him. And why McClory’s own _Never Say Never Again_ COULD have Max Von Sydow as Blofeld. But on the Wikipedia site for Blofeld, we find this: > [@](#): > > On 15 November 2013, MGM and the McClory estate had formally settled the issue with Danjaq, LLC and MGM acquiring the full copyright to the characters and concepts of Blofeld and SPECTRE.[8] > **[Ernst Stavro Blofeld](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld)** > > Ernst Stavro Blofeld is a fictional villain in the James Bond series of novels and films, created by Ian Fleming. A criminal mastermind with aspirations of world domination, he is the archenemy of British MI6 agent James Bond. Blofeld is head of the global criminal organisation SPECTRE and is commonly referred to by the codename Number 1 within this organisation. The character was originally written by Fleming as a physically massive and powerfully built man, standing around 6' 3" (1.90 m) and... The footnote refers to this webpage: > **[MGM, Danjaq Settle James Bond Rights Dispute With McClory Estate - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/16/mgm-danjaq-settle-james-bond-rights-dispute-with-mcclory-estate)** > > A long dispute over certain James Bond rights was settled today, paving the way for Blofeld and SPECTRE to return to the screen. So it looks as if they straightened things out, and now Eon can use Blofeld again. Mark my words, he’ll be in **SPECTRE**. And he probably won’t look like Donald Pleasance with a dueling scar – Daniel Craig has been complaining about how the Austin Powers movies messed things up with the past mythology of the franchise. > **[Daniel Craig: Blame 'Austin Powers' for the Super Serious James Bond Movies](https://www.yahoo.com/news/daniel-craig-blame-austin-powers-for-the-super-104242883007.html)** > > With just a day to go before the new Bond announcement, a newly- surfaced interview with Daniel Craig from 2012 may shed some light on where the series might be headed. When Craig was hired to help reboot James Bond, he knew that he wanted... ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/12 "2014-12-04T22:07:58Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Monica Bellucci as Lucia Sciarra (the Bond girls) A Bond “girl” who’s older than Bond? We haven’t seen that for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/13 "2014-12-04T22:08:57Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Not to mention Sean Connery, who was 52 in _Never Say Never Again_. So silly that that movie is intentionally left out of the Bond canon by some. Not that it was particularly good, but there are arguably worse Bond movies. > > Yes, they were all too old for the role. > > I like Donald Craig the best among all Bond actors as well. But I still think he’s too old for the role these days. Eh, I usually think of the character as being older. He’s a Commander in the Navy before his spying career even starts, and than has had time to rise up the ranks of MI6. He can’t be that young. As to the new film, I like Craig as Bond, but thought Skyfall was terrible. So, guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/14 "2014-12-04T22:13:16Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Roger Moore was 57-58 the last time he played Bond in A View To A Kill I don’t think there are many who would disagree that Moore was far too old for the last two films. Connery pushed it but managed not to look so… decrepit in his last Bond. ---
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/15 "2014-12-04T22:31:11Z")
It’s about time. I always thought that Blofeld and SPECTRE needed a reboot more than Bond did. To me, Bond movies are only interesting if the villain is interesting. I wonder what Blofeld’s origin will be. In Thunderball, he was said to be a Polish communications officer who sold information to the highest bidder. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectre-is-the-official-name-of-bond-24/706339/16 "2014-12-04T22:34:11Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > So it looks as if they straightened things out, and now Eon can use Blofeld again. Mark my words, he’ll be in **SPECTRE**. And he probably won’t look like Donald Pleasance with a dueling scar – Daniel Craig has been complaining about how the Austin Powers movies messed things up with the past mythology of the franchise. Since others are saying it, here’s my theory. “Oberhauser” is German for “Top of the House.” In the old series, Blofeld was called #1, so…