# Spider-Man 3 villain cast, but who will he play? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736 "2005-03-22T17:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/41 "2005-03-23T01:04:24Z")
Gotta take issue with th OP. He’s _best_\* known as Lyle van de Groot, from _George of the Jungle_. Come to think of it, Lyle _is_ a persistent little schmuck, and it might actually take Spidey to bring him down once and for all. [sub]\*In my house.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Nightime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Nightime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightime)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/42 "2005-03-23T01:13:15Z")
> [@](#): > > If you wanted to play to Church’s strengths, you couldn’t really go wrong with Jason Phillip Macendale, the Jack O’Lantern and later Hobgoblin II. That’s my guess as well. I can’t think of any other villain Church would be so well suited to play. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/43 "2005-03-23T03:17:40Z")
My vote is for the Disc Jockey ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/44 "2005-03-23T03:23:46Z")
I could see him as Fred Foswell, the “Big Man,” who was a minor villain when looked at in terms of Spider-Man’s history, but whose storyline was excellent and could easily be adapted into a movie. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/45 "2005-03-23T03:32:33Z")
Why not **Carnage**? He’s the most blood thirsty of Spidey’s villains IMHO. Be nice to see Spidey against both **Venom** and **Carnage**. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/46 "2005-03-23T03:53:14Z")
**Reeder** , again you speak to my soul. Still my mind says that the symbiotes are a bad fit for the film. To much back story baggage to dump for one film and AFAIK this will be Sam Raimi’s last Spider Man film for a while. I think we need to think smaller. Besides, Kasady was out of his mind nuts not kinda snarky. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/47 "2005-03-23T03:58:41Z")
> [@](#): > > The last film had a CGI bonanza with Doc Oc. It’s funny how everyone assumes nowadays that all special effects are CGI. Doc Oc’s arms were marionetted. Sometimes, the old methods still work well. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/48 "2005-03-23T04:46:45Z")
I think it wa a mix of marionette and CGI. But yeah, Sam Raimey is big fan of doing things the old-fashioned way. Probably because he cut his teeth filming his father’s car crashing into fruit carts. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/49 "2005-03-23T14:55:40Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > It’s just you. 😛 > > I mean, I’m sure the filmmakers cast Church to play a specific role. They know the part he’s going to play, they just haven’t told us yet. I don’t think they’d just cast an actor and then decide later which character he should be. In retrospect: :smack: I can’t believe I used a smilie. I’ve lost all respect for myself. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/50 "2005-03-29T21:29:18Z")
Sorry, but if Raimi wants to keep the supervillians vaguely the same as in the comics, Church can’t be Venom. Eddy Brock is Venom, and he was seen as Brock in Spiderman 1, played by [R.C. Everbeck.](http://imdb.com/name/nm0263472/) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ecks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ecks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ecks)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/51 "2005-03-29T22:34:00Z")
I’ve heard that Raimi hates Venom. My guess is sandman, but hoping that it’s Kraven. Played as a cunning adversary instead of a total psycho, Kraven could work. ---
**Author:** ![bclouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@bclouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bclouse)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/52 "2005-03-29T22:50:09Z")
Looks like it’s gonna be the Sandman. I think this is great. Could look very cool. ---
**Author:** ![Skott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Skott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skott)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/53 "2005-03-29T23:22:57Z")
Well, as [Superhero Hype](http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2781) comments: > [@](#): > > As with any rumor take this with a grain of salt until we hear an official announce from SONY. But it does seem most likely. > [@Johnny Ecks](#): > > I’ve heard that Raimi hates Venom. Interesting. I don’t suppose he said _why_? Do you have a link I could read? ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/54 "2005-03-29T23:43:17Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > So it’s just [been announced](http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=filmNews&storyID=2005-03-22T062922Z_01_N22234869_RTRIDST_0_FILM-FILM-CHURCH-DC.XML) that recent Oscar nominee Thomas Haden Church (best known by many as Lowell on TV’s _Wings_) will be the villain in the 3rd Spidey film. > > However, the press release doesn’t announce who he’ll be playing (and doesn’t necessarily refute the possibility that other villains planted in the previous films–Hobgoblin, Lizard, Man-Wolf–won’t also appear). > > So who will Church play? > > My vote may be Venom by default, since I can’t imagine him as anyone else major enough, offhand… Hobgoblin :eek: ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/55 "2005-03-30T06:36:44Z")
> [@Skott](#): > > Interesting. I don’t suppose he said _why_? You mean besides the fact that the character is a slobbering, one-dimensional cliche whose sole purpose for existing is to pander to prepubescent fanboys? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/56 "2005-03-30T11:57:37Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > You mean besides the fact that the character is a slobbering, one-dimensional cliche whose sole purpose for existing is to pander to prepubescent fanboys? He wasn’t a character that pandered to fanboys until they decided to make him an anti hero and give him a spinoff comic. :rolleyes: Before then he was a single minded character who good writers used to push Spider Man. Venom is stronger and way more durable than spider man. The Spider Sense doesn’t work on Venom, and Venom knows Spider Man’s secret identity. Spidey always had to go above and beyond to fight him to a draw. Those were some good comics back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Misery\_Loves\_Co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7cd45c/32.png) [@Misery\_Loves\_Co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misery_Loves_Co)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/57 "2005-03-30T14:44:25Z")
I’m not a hardcore fan, but I’ve always liked comics and superheros. One of the evil-types I always associated w/ spidey was Dr. Doom, but his name hasn’t come up once. I’m sure there’s a reason - could someone enlighten me? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/58 "2005-03-30T14:52:03Z")
For some stupid reason, most medern superhero movies pretend that other superheros doen’t exist. I don’t know why. It would take just two seconds for a superhero in another marvel movie to comment on what bad publicity Spiderman gets. ALternativly, in a movie, you could overhear a radio report on “Another costumed vigilante makes his debut today.” Anyway, the result is that Doom is nolonger considered a Marvel film Villian, but a villian of The Fantastic Four. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/59 "2005-03-30T14:54:34Z")
> [@](#): > > One of the evil-types I always associated w/ spidey was Dr. Doom, but his name hasn’t come up once. I’m sure there’s a reason - could someone enlighten me? Dr. Doom has always primarily been a Fantastic Four villain. He’ll be appearing in the Fantastic Four movie this July, played by Julian McMahon. It wouldn’t surprise me if Raimi hated Venom, if only because Venom wasn’t around when Raimi read comics as a kid, which is likely where a lot of his affinity for various characters come from. I do think that Venom can be a very good villain if used correctly, though. It would’ve been great if they’d been building up an Eddie Brock / Peter Parker rivalry in the first two or three movies and revealed Venom in the third or fourth. It’d be interesting to see what kind of origin they came up with for him, since they’ve kind of milked the science experiment gone wrong thing. ---
**Author:** ![Misery\_Loves\_Co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7cd45c/32.png) [@Misery\_Loves\_Co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misery_Loves_Co)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/60 "2005-03-30T15:30:12Z")
Ahhh. . . thanks for the answer. I think I associated Doom w/ Spiderman b/c of the cartoon series, and it may have been the series that also had Iceman and Firestar. And in an odd confluence of the OP and my question, [this site](http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19747) purports to have some info regarding the SM3 villian. Multiple spies at Sony have confirmed that Thomas Hayden Church will indeed be playing SANDMAN. There’s a ton of Sandman conceptual art all over the Spidey-offices! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736.md?page=4)