# Spider-Man 3 villain cast, but who will he play? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736 "2005-03-22T17:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/61 "2005-03-30T15:37:51Z")
> [@Misery Loves Co.](#): > > I think I associated Doom w/ Spiderman b/c of the cartoon series, and it may have been the series that also had Iceman and Firestar. Oh yeah, I loved it. [http://www.spider-friends.com/BuenaVista/BuenaVista.html](http://www.spider-friends.com/BuenaVista/BuenaVista.html) ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/62 "2005-03-30T15:38:22Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > For some stupid reason, most medern superhero movies pretend that other superheros doen’t exist. I don’t know why. It would take just two seconds for a superhero in another marvel movie to comment on what bad publicity Spiderman gets. ALternativly, in a movie, you could overhear a radio report on “Another costumed vigilante makes his debut today.” Anyway, the result is that Doom is nolonger considered a Marvel film Villian, but a villian of The Fantastic Four. :rolleyes: There’s a good reason - the way the licensing deals are structured, a specific Marvel property may only appear in movies by the studio that currently holds the license. If I recall correctly, there are at least three different studios doing Marvel stuff. Still, you must recall in Spidey 2, when the Bugle staff is trying to name Doc Ock, the name ‘Doctor Strange’ is suggested, then dismissed as ‘taken.’ DC doesn’t have the licensing excuse, as far as I can tell. I think the closest we’ve gotten in recent major productions is a mention of Metropolis in Batman 3. ---
**Author:** ![JerH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@JerH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerH)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/63 "2005-03-30T16:47:37Z")
**Harborwolf** thought the same thing I did - Harry is too much of a wuss to actually do anything himself, so he’d be more likely to find someone to be the Goblin for him. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/64 "2005-03-30T16:51:20Z")
> [@Phase42](#): > > How come nobody’s mention The Chameleon? He was Spider-Man’s first super-villian opponent, wasn’t he? Not until they give me a 2 picture deal. ---
**Author:** ![down\_by\_law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@down\_by\_law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/down_by_law)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/65 "2005-03-30T19:33:24Z")
i’d like to see the hobgoblin, but come on, we’ve already had the green goblin. the producers will want a completely unique villian instead of a variation on a theme. sandman is tolerable. mysterio would be cool, just because that fishbowl helmet would be funny to see. i was always a big kraven fan, but it seemed like that storyline was more about him while spidey was sort of a supporting character. what bout the scorpion? nah, he was pretty lame. what about styx and stone? really, how far will a comic book writer go to slip in a bad pun? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/66 "2005-03-30T20:47:29Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > He wasn’t a character that pandered to fanboys until they decided to make him an anti hero and give him a spinoff comic. :rolleyes: I’d have to disagree. Venom’s first appearance – big, hulking figure; dislodged jaw with drooling, flappy tongue; pointy fingernails; and Todd McFarlane art – all screamed “character created by Marketing Department to appeal to kids who like ‘kewl’ characters” to me. The character might have potential (heck, I believe _any_ character can shine if written well), but I haven’t seen any evidence that says Venom was created for a reason other than a dictate from marketing. ---
**Author:** ![Padeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@Padeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Padeye)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/67 "2005-03-30T21:04:13Z")
None of you have the scoop. Raimi will be teaming with two wildly successful animators to bring a new villain to the Spiderman universe. BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Professor Chaos! (non-anime version) \ …protect my balls, let’s fighting love. Let’s fighting love. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/68 "2005-03-30T21:21:48Z")
I’m not familliar with who Church is, but the first thought I had when I looked at his imdb photo was “Morbius the Living Vampire.” A classic Spidey bad guy, whose tragic character-traits (a basically good guy driven to commit evil deeds because of an ironic twist of fate) fits in well with the overall tone of the Spider-Man movies thus far. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/69 "2005-03-30T21:26:54Z")
Big ol’ nitpick: Web of Spider-Man #18 was venom’s first appearence, albeit it as a hand and arm seen only at the end of the comic book. Now, McFarlain might have plained the costume, but the idea wasn’t his. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/70 "2005-03-30T22:42:21Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > DC doesn’t have the licensing excuse, as far as I can tell. I think the closest we’ve gotten in recent major productions is a mention of Metropolis in Batman 3. Even closer was “This is why Superman works alone” from the fourth Batman film, though it’s unclear from George Clooney’s semi-mocking tone if Superman actually exists in that context or is a fictional character. Personally, I’d’ve preferred Marvel work out a system allowing “common ground” references, i.e. every Marvel movie set in New York can show a copy of the Daily Bugle, as well as use the word ‘mutant’ to describe the various supercharacters (“I wonder if he’s one of those mutants I’ve heard so much about lately?”). ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2005, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/71 "2005-03-30T23:35:58Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Even closer was “This is why Superman works alone” from the fourth Batman film, though it’s unclear from George Clooney’s semi-mocking tone if Superman actually exists in that context or is a fictional character. Ah, I’d forgotten that one! No, I’d count it. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/72 "2005-03-31T00:23:01Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m not familliar with who Church is, but the first thought I had when I looked at his imdb photo was “Morbius the Living Vampire.” Heh heh heh, good call. He _does_ kind of look like Morbius. Now I’ll never be able to see him without thinking that. I wonder if he’ll bulk up for the role if it indeed turns out to be the Sandman. Either way, I hope they have him at least wearing a green shirt with black stripes at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/73 "2005-03-31T00:25:29Z")
Still think he should be Mysterio. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/74 "2005-03-31T00:58:50Z")
Didn’t Aunt May, when watching her nephew run himself ragged, warn him that he wasn’t Superman in the first Spidey film? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/75 "2005-03-31T02:39:39Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Big ol’ nitpick: > Web of Spider-Man #18 was venom’s first appearence, albeit it as a hand and arm seen only at the end of the comic book. Now, McFarlain might have plained the costume, but the idea wasn’t his. No, Todd MacFarlane did have a hand in creating Venom, but regardless he is a good character. He is a character that exists solely to push a hero farther than they can go. In the hands of good writers, he is exceptional. I’ve also read enough issues to see why people would think he was crap. **down by law** , it’s all but certain that, after the events of SM2, that some form of goblin will be involved. I’d be fairly disappointed if they didn’t. Hobgoblin would open up some story possibilities IMHO that the Sandman does not, but if Sandman is Raimi’s decision then I’ll trust him. Spider Man and 2 were good enough for that. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/76 "2005-03-31T04:53:27Z")
Count me in as uninthused about the Sandman. One of the blander villians IMHO, with very little depth of character. For all those bitching about Venom, his powers basically make him a sand-based Venom, only not as bloodthirsty, with a two-bit criminal background. He may be an old-time Spidey villian, but a classic one? I doubt most causal Spidey fans have even heard of him. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/77 "2005-03-31T04:57:09Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > Didn’t Aunt May, when watching her nephew run himself ragged, warn him that he wasn’t Superman in the first Spidey film? But that doesn’t count: it’s not even the right universe! ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/78 "2005-03-31T04:58:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I doubt most causal Spidey fans have even heard of him. Maybe not younger fans, but that’s probably because he’s been a hero for a long time now. I’d guess that older fans probably know him, though. They didn’t use him on the Spider-Man cartoon, did they? I remember that they used Hydro-Man a lot, which I thought was weird (just like how they introduced Hobgoblin way before Green Goblin). ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/79 "2005-03-31T14:17:52Z")
This is the same problem that _ **Batman Forever** _ faced. The primary villains were used up in the first two movies, leaving no single strong front-runner. Result: The Dynamic Duo versus the Tiresome Trio (Riddler, Two-Face and Poison Ivy). The disappointing _ **Superman 2** _ phoned-in three nobodies (propped-up by a slightly used Lex Luthor) to take the roll of the supervillain. This makes me a little nervous about Spidey-3. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736/80 "2005-03-31T14:21:55Z")
There have been four diffrent Hobgoblins. Of them, I think that Church resembles Ned Flander the most. I mean, Ned Leeds. [http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/ned\_leeds.html](http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/ned_leeds.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-3-villain-cast-but-who-will-he-play/295736.md?page=5)