# Spider-Man Homecoming - Seen It (spoilers allowed) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 6, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587 "2017-07-06T05:52:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/21 "2017-07-08T15:31:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I thought it was strange that Toomes had been in the alien-weapons business for years, and yet the only crime we see or hear about is the one attempted ATM robbery and _maybe_ the Donald Glover character might’ve used a fancy gun to whack a guy, but not _too_ fancy. Further, every crime we see Toomes’ gang attempt is to get more materials for weapons, not knocking over armored cars or banks or such. > > Basically, I’m unclear on how Toomes’ revenue stream works. I thought that was made clear several times: he SOLD the weapons to other criminals. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/22 "2017-07-08T15:33:25Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > If Scorpion is going to be the villain in the next movie, I wonder how they’re going to do him? IIRC, he was never that spectacular other than a tail that spits acid. Most of the time, his tail didn’t spit acid, it was more like a battering ram. It would look incredibly silly as a straight live-action translation, so I have a feeling they’ll make it more like a Predator-style over-the-shoulder gun mounted on a backpack with a powered exoskeleton to allow him to carry it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/23 "2017-07-08T15:41:31Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I thought that was made clear several times: he SOLD the weapons to other criminals. Yes, out of a van under a bridge. My point is I don’t recall any news reports, even in passing, that there was an increase in crimes committed with exotic weapons. If they’re being bought, why aren’t they being used? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/24 "2017-07-08T15:44:54Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > How is Aunt May related to Peter in this continuity? No Ben is mentioned. She is either has mom/dad’s sibling or an unrelated person in a highly inappropriate relationship with a teen; a place Tony Stark also began reaching late in the movie. Pretty sure it’s the same – Ben and May took care of Peter after his parents died, and then at some point before the movie started, Ben died. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/25 "2017-07-08T16:00:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yes, out of a van under a bridge. My point is I don’t recall any news reports, even in passing, that there was an increase in crimes committed with exotic weapons. If they’re being bought, why aren’t they being used? Spider-Man is only concerned with what happens right in his neighborhood. He’s a 15 year old kid who’s trying to go to school and be a local superhero…he might not be watching the news from New Jersey or Chicago or even Brooklyn. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/26 "2017-07-08T16:41:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yes, out of a van under a bridge. My point is I don’t recall any news reports, even in passing, that there was an increase in crimes committed with exotic weapons. If they’re being bought, why aren’t they being used? My memory of it was fuzzy but there was scene where they discussed how they were keeping things very quiet but someone made a mistake and over reached which brought them unwanted attention. As I wrote above, this gang would have made a great Agents of SHIELD villain. In fact it was kind of weird how SHIELD was not even mentioned other than a mention of the Triskelion. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/27 "2017-07-08T16:48:42Z")
Wouldn’t the Vulture’s apparatus be worth more than anything he’d gain as a criminal? Or was that question answered? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/28 "2017-07-08T17:30:02Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Wouldn’t the Vulture’s apparatus be worth more than anything he’d gain as a criminal? Or was that question answered? That would be a one-time score. Having the flying suit made it possible for him to keep stealing from Damage Control and maintaining a steady stream of income. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/29 "2017-07-08T19:07:42Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > As I wrote above, this gang would have made a great Agents of SHIELD villain. In fact it was kind of weird how SHIELD was not even mentioned other than a mention of the Triskelion. My girlfriend says there’s a momentary cameo by Phil Coulson at the ATM after the attempted robbery, but I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/30 "2017-07-08T19:15:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > My girlfriend says there’s a momentary cameo by Phil Coulson at the ATM after the attempted robbery, but I missed it. Seems like this hasn’t been mentioned anywhere else yet, maybe she was confused. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/31 "2017-07-08T20:36:06Z")
BTW I’m going to pretend putting an invisible plane in the movie was a dig at DC. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/32 "2017-07-08T20:46:50Z")
I’ve been burnt out with the Avengers and Guardians, so I only went to this because the reviews were good. I found it really enjoyable. Loved Ned and the learning curve. Michael Keaton was excellent and believable. Marisa Tomei was a little bit wasted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/33 "2017-07-08T21:19:20Z")
So if Spider-Man wants to face relatively localized street-level challenges, are we going to to see him making cameos in the Defenders? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/34 "2017-07-08T22:35:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So if Spider-Man wants to face relatively localized street-level challenges, are we going to to see him making cameos in the Defenders? Zero chance, the TV shows and the movies are in a shared universe in name only. You’ll get a few name drops in the TV show, but they will never be acknowledged in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/35 "2017-07-09T01:41:56Z")
I loved this. They did a great job with the characters. It was funny. I wanted to smack Stark. The Cap videos were a good touch (he’s a probably a war criminal but I have to show you this). It was just a fun movie. > [@Quimby](#): > > My memory of it was fuzzy but there was scene where they discussed how they were keeping things very quiet but someone made a mistake and over reached which brought them unwanted attention. It was a reference back to the scene where Peter spotted the flares from the party. When they were demoing weapons under the bridge for the buyer. They were supposed to sell underground, so they wouldn’t get seen but they broke the rules and did it in the open. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/36 "2017-07-09T05:25:45Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > So what villain was the guy from Better Call Saul playing? The mid credits scene makes it clear he isn’t just some thug. > > And the final post credits scene was masterful and serves us all right 🙂 Max Gargan was the scorpion hence the neck tattoo of a scorpion. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/37 "2017-07-09T05:27:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Zero chance, the TV shows and the movies are in a shared universe in name only. You’ll get a few name drops in the TV show, but they will never be acknowledged in the movies. Netflix couldn’t possibly afford Tom Holland. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/38 "2017-07-09T06:00:25Z")
Does this iteration of S-M have silk glands, or does he use web shooters like in the comic books? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/39 "2017-07-09T06:07:04Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Does this iteration of S-M have silk glands, or does he use web shooters like in the comic books? Web shooters. You even see him mixing some formula, and where he keeps his stash. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/40 "2017-07-09T06:09:49Z")
> [@HowSoonIsThen](#): > > Now, I’m not sure if Tom Holland really portrayed Peter as an outcast all that well. We’re told that everyone hates him and thinks he’s weird, and by told I mean the other characters keep saying that everyone hates him and thinks he’s weird. But with the exception of Flash Thompson constantly referring to him as “Penis Parker”, they don’t really seem to act like they hate him. Hell, he even manages to go to the dance with the girl he likes. But it still did a pretty good job of portraying nerdy Peter and smartass Spider-man. Sure, Peter Parker didn’t really know how to be Spider-man, but you could still see the difference when he put on the suit. That was because they were updating the idea based on how we tend to view outcasts in high school. In the 60s he was always called “bookworm” parker but of course this is a more modern version and Flash Thompson instead of being a popular jock bully is more of this preppie rich kid who treats him with contempt. > [@](#): > > Why did his friend need to know he was Spider-man? It feels like since Robert Downey Jr announed “I’m Iron Man” in 2008 that superheroes don’t have secret identities anymore. It didn’t bother me too much, but it did take away quite a bit of tension. Then again, I prefer this to a hypothetical scene where said friend is complaining about Peter constantly disappearing. “Ned” is probably Ned Leeds who he didn’t run into in the comic series until he got into the Daily Bugle. In addition to eventually marrying Betty Brant(who does show up in the movie) he actually eventually becomes a villain, the Hobgoblin. Whether they’ll go that route we’ll see. > [@](#): > > Also, Mary Jane’s name is Mary Jane. Not Michelle. And on that note she’s not April from Parks and Recreation or Daria. Perhaps I’m missing a joke but she says at the end “call me MJ” so she’s pretty clearly supposed to be their version of Mary Jane. Also “Liz” was almost certainly supposed to be “Liz Allen”(though obviously they changed the name) his first crush in high school. Her father wasn’t a super criminal but it eventually turned out her brother was The Molten Man. She also eventually married Harry Osbourne. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587.md?page=3)