# Spider-Man Homecoming - Seen It (spoilers allowed) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 6, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587 "2017-07-06T05:52:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/81 "2017-07-19T23:44:07Z")
Just got home, really enjoyed it. Did anyone else notice that the high school principal was Kenneth Choi, who played one of the Howlin’ Commandos in “Captain America” ? He also had a b&w picture of himself in a WWII era Army uniform on his desk, so presumably he’s playing his own modern day grandson. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/82 "2017-07-20T04:44:13Z")
I’ve heard speculation about Toby Maguire maybe playing Uncle Ben in a sequel. That may seem odd at first, but hey, look how hot Aunt May has become, yowza! My wife and I cringed at the horrible mispronunciation of the Thai dish in the restaurant early on. But we’re used to that by now. (It’s _laahp_ – silent R, pronounced more like a P at the end.) ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/83 "2017-07-20T10:58:08Z")
enalzi: > [@](#): > > The Raimi movies have Peter know MJ since they were little kids, so not that big of a swerve. Which is in accordance with the “Ultimate” comics incarnation of the character. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/84 "2017-07-20T11:01:04Z")
enalzi: > [@](#): > > Does Vulture have the lowest death count of any main villain in the MCU? There was only the one bad guy he killed. Did Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer or Whiplash actually kill anyone? I don’t recall off-hand, it’s been a while since I’ve watched the early movies. And Yellowjacket from Ant-Man, did he kill anyone? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/85 "2017-07-20T11:26:32Z")
[QUOTE=cmkeller] Yellowjacket from Ant-Man, did he kill anyone? [/QUOTE] Well – spoilers, I guess? – he did murder that businessman in the bathroom; and, IIRC, he wound up killing those two helicopter pilots, since _‘shooting as Ant-Man bounces around the inside of a helicopter’_ is an idea that needs some work. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/86 "2017-07-20T14:19:24Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > enalzi: > > Did Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer or Whiplash actually kill anyone? I don’t recall off-hand, it’s been a while since I’ve watched the early movies. > > And Yellowjacket from Ant-Man, did he kill anyone? Stane had a bunch of people killed in front of him - the guys who had kidnapped Tony originally, but Stane didn’t actually pull a trigger. And he may have killed some of the SHIELD agents who came to arrest him. Hammer had the decoy prisoner killed when he broke Whiplash out of prison. Whiplash killed the two guards who Hammer had watching him in his cell, when Hammer was pissed off at him. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/87 "2017-07-20T20:07:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > I thought the callback to the iconic lifting himself out of the rubble scene was somewhat cheapened by being merely about self-actualization rather than the desperation to save Aunt May’s life as it was in the original story. I doubt one in a thousand of the people who saw the movie read that issue of the comic book, and of those, maybe one in a thousand even remember why he was lifting the rubble off himself. And of THOSE, maybe one has a problem with the change in motivation. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/88 "2017-07-21T13:55:16Z")
I saw it last night and thought that it was OK. For this summer’s superhero movies, I’d rank it well below Wonder Woman and Guardians of the Galaxy 2. My wife was anxious to leave when the credits started rolling. Can someone spoil the “very very end” for me? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/89 "2017-07-21T14:00:51Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I saw it last night and thought that it was OK. For this summer’s superhero movies, I’d rank it well below Wonder Woman and Guardians of the Galaxy 2. > > My wife was anxious to leave when the credits started rolling. Can someone spoil the “very very end” for me? Ironically - your wife would have truly appreciated the [final scene](https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/6/15922734/spider-man-homecoming-post-credits-scenes-spoilers) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/90 "2017-07-21T15:35:13Z")
My drive by: I loved it, and the vulture was one of the more interesting villains I’ve seen in a while. I heard a great interview with Tom Holland on the Nerdist. He is super adorable and just turned 21. Awww, 21. And apparently he played Billy Elliot in the titular movie, which I didn’t know. That interview is how I found out about [this epic lip sync battle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i5DEipIWh4), which I must put somewhere so here’s well enough. He described it as ‘‘the most stressful thing I’ve ever done in my entire career.’’ Kid’s got moves. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/91 "2017-07-21T17:06:35Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > My drive by: I loved it, and the vulture was one of the more interesting villains I’ve seen in a while. > > I heard a great interview with Tom Holland on the Nerdist. He is super adorable and just turned 21. Awww, 21. And apparently he played Billy Elliot in the titular movie, which I didn’t know. > > That interview is how I found out about [this epic lip sync battle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i5DEipIWh4), which I must put somewhere so here’s well enough. He described it as ‘‘the most stressful thing I’ve ever done in my entire career.’’ Kid’s got moves. Nitpick - he was Billy Elliot in one of the stage productions of the musical version. Jamie Bell was Billy Elliot in the movie (which came first, 17 years ago, eek!) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/92 "2017-07-21T21:38:59Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > I’m not sure how inconsistent that was. The problem for him with the scene where he’s buried is that he initially experiences a moment of pure panic (and that scene, specifically, was what convinced me of how great a job Holland was doing with that role—I really _bought_ that panic). In my view, Parker wasn’t just overcome by the physical obstacle. He was also still reeling from finding out who his date’s father was, and how he’d been outsmarted. Kind of a realization that he’s still just a kid. But, once he gathered himself, he knew he actually did have the strength (physically and mentally). > > Also, I thought he was not only lifting the container, but several tons of concrete on top of it. That was also a reference to the early comics. I’ve read some of the Amazing Spiderman and I think in the comic version he had to get an antidote to Aunt May. Similar concept; being overwhelmed by panic and having to push through it. It was more about internal fortitude than physical strength. **Sci-Fi Sam** , thanks for the correction. I was getting confused by some Google hits and that explains it. In the interview he just talked about doing ‘‘Billy Elliot’’ and it never occurred to me he meant anything but the movie. That explains his lovely stage presence as Rihanna. I can’t stop watching that video. When my husband saw it, he shouted, ‘‘Confidence!’’ Pretty much. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/93 "2017-07-21T23:36:18Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > That was also a reference to the early comics. I’ve read some of the Amazing Spiderman and I think in the comic version he had to get an antidote to Aunt May. Similar concept; being overwhelmed by panic and having to push through it. It was more about internal fortitude than physical strength. [Here’s](http://www.willhines.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/spiderman2.gif) the [scene.](https://fsmedia.imgix.net/9d/64/5e/77/0aaa/41eb/afb2/4c469f2bd78a/from-the-amazing-spider-man-33.jpeg?auto=format%2Ccompress&w=665) ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/94 "2017-07-23T01:51:48Z")
Finally saw this, really liked it. Did a good job of capturing the Spider-Man feel without feeling like too much of a re-tread - I think being able to skip past stuff like the spider bite, Uncle Ben dying, discovering his body changes, and so forth helped a lot. I was a little worried when it turned out that Vulture was Liz’s dad (since Spider-Man’s villain being his best friend or girlfriend’s dad is a bit of a cliche) but glad that they turned it around by not killing him. Keaton did a really good job and I think could do well in a future film as a conflicted bad guy. Only thing I didn’t like was the final action sequence onboard the jet. Hard to tell what was happening, and most of it just seemed to be Peter avoiding getting hit by debris. Not sure why Vulture decided he needed to leave the ship after he saw Spider-Man outside - should’ve just stayed in and waited for him. I guess he figured the jig was up and help would be coming soon, but as it turned out, Peter was having trouble reading Happy and no one seemed aware until the plane crashed. I also wouldn’t’ve bothered giving Michelle the “MJ” moniker. Just let her be her own character. I don’t think Mary-Jane ever really fit the high school vibe anyways. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/95 "2017-07-23T13:19:00Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Only thing I didn’t like was the final action sequence onboard the jet. Hard to tell what was happening, and most of it just seemed to be Peter avoiding getting hit by debris. Not sure why Vulture decided he needed to leave the ship after he saw Spider-Man outside - should’ve just stayed in and waited for him. I guess he figured the jig was up and help would be coming soon, but as it turned out, Peter was having trouble reading Happy and no one seemed aware until the plane crashed. Yes! This is my sole criticism of the movie. The other fight scenes were exciting and easy to follow, but the plane scene frankly gave me a headache - all the flashing “camouflage” lights made it impossible to tell what was going on. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/96 "2017-07-23T13:42:11Z")
My understanding is that when the production team started coming up with the story for this movie they came up with a list of Spider-Man tropes that have been done to death, like Uncle ben’s death or him swinging around Manhattan and decided to leave them all out of this one so it seems that they’re trying to listen to the OP’s complaints. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/97 "2017-07-24T14:08:14Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Not only did I not see it coming, when he answered the door my first reaction was he was holding her real family hostage. Me, too! It was awesome how Vulture turned the “meeting the date’s father for the first time” into something _slightly_ more awkward… (hey, I remember picking up my prom date). > [@HowSoonIsThen](#): > > The detention scene made me think of the Breakfast Club which I’m sure was intentional. Personally, though, I’m a bit over the character who hangs around making emotionless sarcastic comments. And this is coming from a massive Daria fan. Heh. All through the movie, I was thinking of Michelle as “live-action Daria.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/98 "2017-07-25T06:56:09Z")
Michael Keaton was great. He played the Vulture like he was Tony Soprano. Yes, he’s clearly a bad guy and a criminal but he’s not Loki or Ultron or Zemo. He’s a businessman trying to make a living and his business happens to be illegal. It makes him a villain at a relatable level that’s a good fit for Spiderman. It’s nice to have a superhero movie that doesn’t involve a cosmic threat to the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/99 "2017-07-25T07:00:18Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Not sure why Vulture decided he needed to leave the ship after he saw Spider-Man outside - should’ve just stayed in and waited for him. I guess he figured the jig was up and help would be coming soon, but as it turned out, Peter was having trouble reading Happy and no one seemed aware until the plane crashed. He left his wings outside of the plane to form the vacuum seal. And he saw Peter was trying to pry the wings off the plane. If Peter had succeeded, he would have been trapped inside the plane with no way to fly away. So he had to go out and drive Peter off the plane. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587/100 "2017-07-25T07:04:47Z")
A minor trivia note: They cast Jennifer Connelly as the voice of Karen, Spider-Man’s AI. Connelly’s husband Paul Bettany did the voice of Jarvis, Tony Stark’s AI in previous movies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-homecoming-seen-it-spoilers-allowed/790587.md?page=6)