# Spider-Man out of the MCU **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970 "2019-08-20T22:29:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/1 "2019-08-20T22:29:05Z")
Story here: > **[Spider-Man Out of the MCU if Marvel, Sony Can't Reach Deal (UPDATE) - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal?sf107511944=1)** > > Marvel Studios will not be making any more Spider-Man films, citing financial disagreements between Disney and Sony Pictures. BWHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry but you can’t help but laugh. They just set him up as new center of the MCU… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/2 "2019-08-20T22:35:48Z")
Really dumb decision by Sony, if this is really going down like this. The MCU will be fine without Spidey. Spidey probably loses half his box office revenue without the MCU. My wife and I probably wouldn’t have seen either of the recent Spiderman movies if they weren’t in the MCU, barring absolutely stellar reviews. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/3 "2019-08-20T23:21:36Z")
Eh, he should be with the mutants over at X-land anyway.\* 🙂 Don’t give me your “a radioactive spider bit me” BS. You’re on The List, mutant boy. \*especially if he has biological web spinners ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/4 "2019-08-20T23:22:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My wife and I probably wouldn’t have seen either of the recent Spiderman movies if they weren’t in the MCU, barring absolutely stellar reviews. I’m the same. I haven’t seen any of the non-MCU Spiderman movies. My interest in the character is solely based on his place in the MCU series. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/5 "2019-08-20T23:38:16Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Eh, he should be with the mutants over at X-land anyway.\* 🙂 Yeah, about that… ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/6 "2019-08-21T00:01:44Z")
There seem to be conflicting reports about how final this decision is, so hopefully this is all just negotiation and things get worked out. Spidey seems like an important character to continue things after Endgame. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/7 "2019-08-21T00:02:31Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Story here: > [Spider-Man Out of the MCU if Marvel, Sony Can't Reach Deal (UPDATE) - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal?sf107511944=1) > > BWHAHAHAHA!!! > > Sorry but you can’t help but laugh. They just set him up as new center of the MCU… That article links to one at [Deadline.com](http://Deadline.com), which explains the reason, “Sony did not want to share its biggest franchise.” Disney has plenty of franchises but Sony does not. Wikipedia lists Sony franchises including, “The Karate Kid, Ghostbusters, Spider-Man, Jumanji, Stuart Little, Men in Black, Underworld, Robert Langdon, The Smurfs (via Peyo), Sniper, Hotel Transylvania, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs”. Basically a pretty weak selection. So I can well understand that they want to hang onto Spiderman. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/8 "2019-08-21T00:14:30Z")
Tony: “Congratulations, kid, you’re an Avenger.” Well, at least until the end of the next movie… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/9 "2019-08-21T00:20:48Z")
How many movies were included in the previous deal? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/10 "2019-08-21T00:22:51Z")
They’ll be back to negotiating in a week or two. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/11 "2019-08-21T00:36:56Z")
According to [CBR.com](http://CBR.com), negotiations are in fact still ongoing. Reports of the death of Spider-Man in the MCU have been greatly exaggerated. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/12 "2019-08-21T01:35:21Z")
Suits ruin everything. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/13 "2019-08-21T01:47:00Z")
I guess the next film will be entitled _Spider-Man: Home Alone_. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/14 "2019-08-21T01:53:00Z")
Honestly, I am kinda glad. Disney owns almost everything now so it’s a little heartening to see them not own something substantial. And Sony is coming off of Into the Spider-Verse, which got them a friggin Oscar, so they probably figure they can handle the character fine on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/15 "2019-08-21T01:54:42Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > Spidey seems like an important character to continue things after Endgame. Sony shouldn’t kid themselves that Spider Man is irreplaceable. The MCU was going strong before he entered it. And it would only take Disney one Prowler origin movie to recover from his loss. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/16 "2019-08-21T02:02:19Z")
Of course the character isn’t irreplaceable. The point is that Sony can write and produce stand-alone Spider-man stories without needing anything else from the MCU. And remember Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse was a successful movie independent of the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/17 "2019-08-21T03:54:10Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And remember Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse was a successful movie independent of the MCU. It was and it was a great movie. It wouldn’t have worked as live action, though. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/18 "2019-08-21T09:04:33Z")
And Venom, while it did ok overseas, was a terrible movie. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/19 "2019-08-21T11:02:35Z")
Good. Now that Tony’s dying delusion from from being killed in Afghanistan has reached its conclusion, Spidey ain’t needed/ ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/20 "2019-08-21T11:14:40Z")
I wasn’t all that impressed with Spidey in End Game. Pretty sure I saw him shoot his web into thin air (and hoist himself up) at least once. Dude is worthless unless he’s fighting someone downtown. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970.md?page=2)