# Spider-Man out of the MCU **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970 "2019-08-20T22:29:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/41 "2019-08-22T17:02:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think you mean Sony. Good Lord I’m really bad at names in this story. I should probably give up on trying to talk about it, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/42 "2019-08-22T17:12:17Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > The folks that made the spiderverse had more control over making the movie, than the sony helmed solo spiderman movies since it was animated and not expected to make very much. If all this (Sony taking the character back) has to happen, the smartest thing that Sony could do is give Lord and Miller the reins of Spider-Man property, in full. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/43 "2019-08-22T20:17:55Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > If all this (Sony taking the character back) has to happen, the smartest thing that Sony could do is give Lord and Miller the reins of Spider-Man property, in full. I think it has more to do with sony investors, regardless of sale or deal they want full value. Sony is just one bad movie year away from selling spidey at firesale rates. Even if spidey is a cash cow for sony, by itself it cannot carry the full studio. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/44 "2019-08-22T20:47:36Z")
Of course it can’t carry the full studio, but that’s no reason to sell it. They need to exploit it as best they can, while at the same time trying to develop other franchises. (Since the current model seems to be based on having franchises. I’m not sure if that’s a new thing.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/45 "2019-08-22T21:28:56Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > If all this (Sony taking the character back) has to happen, the smartest thing that Sony could do is give Lord and Miller the reins of Spider-Man property, in full. Sony’s problem is that even a great Sony Spider Man movie won’t be as good as an MCU Spider Man movie. The MCU has spend years building up a background to set Spider Man movies in. Sony is going to have to make their movies without all of this background. Disney, meanwhile, now has the Fantastic Four and the X-Men warming up in the bullpen. If they lose Spider Man, they have plenty of other characters they can bring into the MCU movies to replace Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor. ---
**Author:** ![Trancephalic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trancephalic/32/380_2.png) [@Trancephalic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trancephalic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/46 "2019-08-22T22:24:54Z")
I don’t think having that background matters; Spiderverse was built on notion everyone already knows the broad strokes. It just let the audience hit the ground running. The texture was seeing the contrasts between the variants. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/47 "2019-08-22T22:30:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m the same. I haven’t seen any of the non-MCU Spiderman movies. My interest in the character is solely based on his place in the MCU series. That’s a shame, because the best of the lot is The Amazing Spider-Man. It ends with a CGI slugfest as all of these movies do, but other than that it shines. I really buy into the joy Peter Parker feels at being able to do all the cool things he can do. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/48 "2019-08-22T22:41:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **kenobi 65** : > > Marvel and DC have done crossover comic books with each other in the past, but those were often treated as being non-canon. So, “never say never,” but I’m more skeptical about a non-canon crossover film (and, if Marvel still retains any editorial control over what Sony does with Spider-Man, I would expect them to exert veto power). For that matter, Warner Bros and Disney have also done at least one crossover. But it involved an incredible amount of negotiation and wrangling (both rodents had to have exactly the same amount of screen time, lines, and words of dialog, and the same for both ducks), and I don’t think either party is eager to repeat the process. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/49 "2019-08-23T12:25:05Z")
[This one YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onhygON2Vrk) video says that Sony and Marvel have reached a new deal with regards to Spider-Man. There is no other confirmation that I can find but the terms seem pretty reasonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/50 "2019-08-23T16:47:27Z")
[Here is the source the Youtube video used if you’d rather read than watch](https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers) ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/51 "2019-08-23T18:26:32Z")
Also…Venom in the MCU hot damn! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/52 "2019-08-23T22:17:13Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > [Here is the source the Youtube video used if you’d rather read than watch](https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers) Word on reddit is that site is terribly unreliable to the point of straight up inventing stories. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/53 "2019-08-24T21:52:06Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > For that matter, Warner Bros and Disney have also done at least one crossover. But it involved an incredible amount of negotiation and wrangling (both rodents had to have exactly the same amount of screen time, lines, and words of dialog, and the same for both ducks), and I don’t think either party is eager to repeat the process. Taxonomy Pendantry incoming! Rabbits are not rodents, they are lagomorphs. The two families are the only members of the next highest clade though, albeit one that has a name that no one knows (Glires). > **[Glires](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glires)** > > Glires (/ˈɡlaɪəriːz, -aɪərz/\[citation needed\], Latin glīrēs 'dormice') is a clade (sometimes ranked as a grandorder) consisting of rodents and lagomorphs (rabbits, hares, and pikas). The hypothesis that these form a monophyletic group has been long debated based on morphological evidence. Two morphological studies, published in 2001 and 2003, strongly support the monophyly of Glires. In particular, the 2003 study reported the discovery of fossil material of basal members of Glires, particul Sca... ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/54 "2019-08-24T23:00:43Z")
Yeah, I actually knew that lagomorphs and rodents are different, but I didn’t know the name of the parent clade, and figured that “rodents” was close enough. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/55 "2019-08-25T00:38:55Z")
Since they were supposed to announce this today, and I haven’t seen or heard anything about this, I’m assuming the report was, indeed, false. A shame ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/56 "2019-08-25T02:45:14Z")
Kevin Feige and Tom Holland - two people who I assume have direct insider knowledge - have made public statements that do not sound encouraging. They didn’t say the final decision has been made but they both used the past tense when speaking of Spider Man’s association with the MCU. Feige: _“I’m feeling about Spider-Man gratitude and joy. We got to make five films within the MCU with Spider-Man: two standalone films and three with the Avengers. It was a dream that I never thought would happen. It was never meant to last forever. We knew there was a finite amount of time that we’d be able to do this, and we told the story we wanted to tell, and I’ll always be thankful for that.”_ Holland: _“Basically, we’ve made five great movies. It’s been five amazing years. I’ve had the time of my life. Who knows what the future holds? But all I know is that I’m going to continue playing Spider-Man and having the time of my life. It’s going to be so fun, however we choose to do it. The future for Spider-Man will be different, but it will be equally as awesome and amazing, and we’ll find new ways to make it even cooler.”_ ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/57 "2019-08-25T18:32:45Z")
So, slight hijack, who owns Miles Morales, SpiderGwen Peni Parker, Spider-Noir and Peter Porker? I was never quite clear on that, but Spiderverse has been, far and away imho, the best of all the spiderman movies to date. Let Sony have their Live Action Spiderman, kill off the old and tired MCU/Ironverse, and run with Miles and Gwen and Peni ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/58 "2019-08-25T19:46:44Z")
> [@DorkVader](#): > > So, slight hijack, who owns Miles Morales, SpiderGwen Peni Parker, Spider-Noir and Peter Porker? I was never quite clear on that, but Spiderverse has been, far and away imho, the best of all the spiderman movies to date. Let Sony have their Live Action Spiderman, kill off the old and tired MCU/Ironverse, and run with Miles and Gwen and Peni That is 100% Sony. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/59 "2019-08-26T15:50:49Z")
> [@DorkVader](#): > > So, slight hijack, who owns Miles Morales, SpiderGwen Peni Parker, Spider-Noir and Peter Porker? I was never quite clear on that, but Spiderverse has been, far and away imho, the best of all the spiderman movies to date. Let Sony have their Live Action Spiderman, kill off the old and tired MCU/Ironverse, and run with Miles and Gwen and Peni > [@Strassia](#): > > That is 100% Sony. > > Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Which is why a lot of people are encouraging Sony to stand to their guns and ditch Disney. Spider-Verse was created by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller and the pair have an extended deal with Sony. Fans of Spidey are saying “Just give the guy to Lord and Miller and let them run with it”. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spider-man-out-of-the-mcu/838970/60 "2019-09-27T15:44:36Z")
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