# Spiderman 2 -{spoilers}- **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 30, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818 "2004-06-30T02:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/61 "2004-07-02T15:06:53Z")
Oh, two other quick things: 1. I loved the opening credits of the movie. Very well done, and deserves some props. 2. The fusion thing at the end. I was screaming “Self-sustaining!” in my mind well before the good Doc mentioned it, and was kind of curious how they were going to stop it. I figured they’d come up with something more ingenious than the river… but hey, what can you do. That said, though, would that work? Can you “drown” a mini-sun? I’m honestly curious as to the scientific specifics of that point, though my friends made fun of me for wondering about it 😃 -K. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/62 "2004-07-02T18:02:09Z")
I saw it last night and I loved it! ( I didn’t love the little Mexican children running around jabbering in Spanish for the last hour of the movie. Shouldn’t they be asleep by midnight?) This is probably going to be one of my all-time favorite movies. Here’s something I didn’t understand. Why did Spidy have such a hard time beating the crap out of Occ? Sure, he has mechanical arms, but his face should have been literally destroyed by the punches that Peter was hitting him with. The goblin has a mask. Occ has nothing but some sunglasses. Wha? Get brutal! He’s threatened to peel your girlfriend’s skin off. Beat that ass! Tear off an ear or something…geeze… I wanted to cheer at the end of the movie. I have always loved Spiderman and I hope these movies keep comming! ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/63 "2004-07-02T18:17:13Z")
I was a flat out good movie. Forget it’s a comic book movie, forget Spiderman 1; the whole thing stand up on it’s own. It does a great job of giving depth to the characters and the villains are not pure evil and the good guys are not completely good (the two sides are most definately distinguishable, don’t get me wrong). Combine that with a very interesting story, some funny lines, some funny characters, and you have a great movie. I’m definately buying it. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/64 "2004-07-02T18:32:01Z")
I thought Doc Ock’s last line was beautiful and reinforced Aunt may’s point about the hero in everyone: “I will not die a monster.” ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/65 "2004-07-02T19:11:03Z")
Question: Did anyone else think that the skinny blonde neighbor would wind up being Gwen Stacy (Peter’s pre-MJ girlfriend in the comics), who’d have to get killed by the Green Goblin in Part 3 before Spidey could hook up w/ Mary Jane? As for the Part 3 villain, I too would love to see Venom, but I’m sure it won’t happen (if only because his backstory would take too long). It’ll probably just be some twist on Harry-as-Green Goblin. Which is fine. Oh, and throw in Dr. Connors becoming the Lizard. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/66 "2004-07-02T20:21:47Z")
Just saw the movie, way better than the original. It was everything one could hope for. My only real complaint is the fact that I don’t buy Dunst as being MJ. They really need to recast that role. I’m thinking the next movie will involve the Doc Connors/Lizard/Neogenics storyline. I don’t think Spidey’s powers failing him were just sub-concious. I think his powers are going to keep on failing and Peter is going to seek Connors’ help next movie and that will set off the Lizard storyline. I do hope that they keep to one villian per movie. Something like having the Sinister Six would not give them enough time to develope each character and would just make the movie really cheesy. Hell, we don’t want another _Batman and Robin_ now do we? ---
**Author:** ![xvxdarkknightxvx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/34f0e0/32.png) [@xvxdarkknightxvx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xvxdarkknightxvx)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/67 "2004-07-02T20:28:42Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Question: Did anyone else think that the skinny blonde neighbor would wind up being Gwen Stacy (Peter’s pre-MJ girlfriend in the comics), who’d have to get killed by the Green Goblin in Part 3 before Spidey could hook up w/ Mary Jane? I sure hope not. Gwen Stacy was supposed to be way hotter than Mary Jane. Also, they already used the “throw her off the bridge thing,” so they would need a whole new way to kill Gwen Stacy. To the other guy: Are you sure he said limbs? I remember thinking in my mind that he only had 6 arms when JJJ said that. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/68 "2004-07-02T20:53:54Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > My initial suspicion, especially given the fact that the characters of Dr. Curt Connors and Captain John Jameson have been established, is that Harry Osborn will use his resources to create a league of supervillains to battle Spider-Man. Who was Dr. Conners? I don’t remember him. Captain Jameson was MJ’s fiance, correct? In the comic books, what happens to him? In essence, please explain everything you think I should know. I am ignorant of all that is Spiderman. Thank You. ---
**Author:** ![Kaspar\_Hauser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@Kaspar\_Hauser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaspar_Hauser)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/69 "2004-07-02T21:24:59Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > Who was Dr. Conners? I don’t remember him. Captain Jameson was MJ’s fiance, correct? In the comic books, what happens to him? In essence, please explain everything you think I should know. I am ignorant of all that is Spiderman. > > Thank You. In the movie Dr. Connors was Peter’s one-armed professor, who chastised him for being late and slipping in his studies. In the comics, he’s a scientist who created a serum that grew his arm back, with the unfortunate side effect of turning him into The Lizard. ---
**Author:** ![Second\_Star\_to\_the\_Right](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Second\_Star\_to\_the\_Right](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Second_Star_to_the_Right)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/70 "2004-07-02T21:57:09Z")
> [@Mr. Miskatonic](#): > > I didn’t get the purpose of the cake scene with the landlord’s daughter. Was it to demonstrate that Parker could be with another girl if he wanted? I didn’t get that, either. I didn’t question it during the film but afterwards I thought “wait a minute…what was the point of that?” Are we missing something? The elevator scene was hysterical. “It gets kinda itchy.” Heh. I loved the subway scene, especially the shared realization that Spidey was just a kid, could be their friend, neighbor, student, son, etc, and he’s out there every day risking his life for a city full of people he’s never met. Also, as **RandMcNally** mentioned before, the spin on the “you’ll have to go through me first” cliche was great- nice to see people willing to stand up for Spidey, but done with a touch of reality(as it were). J. Jonah Jameson steals every scene he’s in. Two of my favorite lines: At the Daily Bugle, to Peter: “You’re fired! Wait, you’re unfired, I need you!” At the wedding, when it’s apparent that MJ has taken off: “Call the caterers. Tell them not to open the caviar.” Good times. As has been mentioned, I thought the opening credits were well done, with the drawings of key scenes from the previous film. Very nice touch. All in all I loved it. Caught the 12:01 am showing and it was well worth it. I’m sure I’ll be seeing it again. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/71 "2004-07-02T22:27:15Z")
It occurs to me that once word gets out that actress Mary Jane Watson jilted an astronaut to hook up with a dorky nebbish of a photographer… well, I’m not sure why J. Jonah would keep giving photography assignments to the thoroughly inferior milktoast who stole his son’s fiancée, and I’ll bet the _Daily Bugle_ won’t be offering any positive reviews to MJ’s performances. Speaking of which, I have a vague recollection of some of the posters outside MJ’s theatre showing blurbs from reviews, and at least one saying in big proud text: “The performance was adequate and workmanlike!” or other non-praise. I’ll have to wait for the DVD to check again, but it strikes me as hilarious that the theatre would sieze upon a lukewarm review and display it. I figure we’ll see Harry as Hobgoblin and Connors as Lizard (though, oddly, Connors is portrayed as a physicist, unlike his herpetologist/biochemist comic-book counterpart). I’d love to see a X-Men crossover when Spidey leaps in, kicks all their asses and leaps out, Secret Wars-style. A nanotechnology-based Sandman would also be cool. I’m somewhat indifferent to Venom. They haven’t yet gotten the witty spider-reparté down yet, but that’s minor. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/72 "2004-07-02T22:28:27Z")
> [@Kaspar Hauser](#): > > In the movie Dr. Connors was Peter’s one-armed professor, who chastised him for being late and slipping in his studies. In the comics, he’s a scientist who created a serum that grew his arm back, with the unfortunate side effect of turning him into The Lizard. His professor only had one arm? How the hell did I miss that? ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/73 "2004-07-02T22:38:52Z")
He was wearing a coat the whole time, so it wasn’t obvious. Here I must admit that I’m not a great expert on film studies. What was the significange of the pause at the end of the “Raindrops Keep Fallin’ on my Head” montage? I keep reading that that was a great directoral wink at _something_, and I have no idea what. My only guess is _The Mary Tyler Moore Show_ or _Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid_, but I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/74 "2004-07-02T23:14:29Z")
Other than the fact that a freeze frame is just generally a cheezy way to end a montage or tv show, it’s also noteworthy that the song _Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head_ was featured in _Butch Cassidy_ which ended in one of the most famous freeze frames in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/75 "2004-07-03T00:29:11Z")
**Bryan** : > [@](#): > > It occurs to me that once word gets out that actress Mary Jane Watson jilted an astronaut to hook up with a dorky nebbish of a photographer… well, I’m not sure why J. Jonah would keep giving photography assignments to the thoroughly inferior milktoast who stole his son’s fiancée. . . Yeah, but on the other hand, why is Peter Parker selling his photos to the Bugle in the first place? Wouldn’t other papers be interested in buying them? Could there possibly be a newspaper w/ a worse attitude toward his alter-ego? It boggles the mind. **BraheSilver** : > [@](#): > > What was the significange of the pause at the end of the “Raindrops Keep Fallin’ on my Head” montage? I keep reading that that was a great directoral wink at something, and I have no idea what. My only guess is The Mary Tyler Moore Show or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, but I don’t know. I don’t know that it was a reference to anything specific (at least, I didn’t recognize it as such). I thought it worked beautifully, though – who knew a still photograph could be so funny? ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/76 "2004-07-03T00:58:52Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > Captain Jameson was MJ’s fiance, correct? In the comic books, what happens to him? In essence, please explain everything you think I should know. I am ignorant of all that is Spiderman. > > Thank You. RE The Man-Wolf! [http://webhome.idirect.com/~twessner/man-wolf/manwolf.htm](http://webhome.idirect.com/~twessner/man-wolf/manwolf.htm) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/77 "2004-07-03T01:17:42Z")
The one armed Prof had me, too. I couldn’t tell if it was a bad arm or a no arm. And I didn’t pay close enough attention to it 'cause it didn’t hit me until a freind mentioned it after the movie. I didn’t stay for the entire close credits. Anything at the very end? ---
**Author:** ![Sangre\_Azul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@Sangre\_Azul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sangre_Azul)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/78 "2004-07-03T01:23:29Z")
> [@](#): > > I didn’t get the purpose of the cake scene with the landlord’s daughter. Was it to demonstrate that Parker could be with another girl if he wanted? I took this as Peter experiencing sort of the flip side of the feelings he has for MJ. Look at the landlord’s daughter - here was a girl who obviously had a big crush on Peter and who, though nervous, was taking steps to making it something more. Acting on one’s feelings for another is the Big Issue for Pete and I think this little scene was part of the turning point where he wants a life of his own. If Harry is to be the Green Goblin in the next movie, I’m hoping he’s a more subtle or different type of villian than his dad. Either orchestrate from the shadows or be more brooding… _something_. If he has to put on the damn suit, then keep it motivated in revenge, rather than being commanded by voices in his head. Overt, cackling shenanigans ala the Goblin in the first movie just gets tiresome. Also, in my mind, the Sinister Six isn’t really necessary. A league of villians is more a comic book conceit because in the American comic tradition, the stories don’t really end. So, you need some sort of plot machine to keep pumping out epic problems. That’s why I like the two movies so far - there’s more of a resolution and characters can have more meaningful arcs. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/79 "2004-07-03T01:26:32Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > It occurs to me that once word gets out that actress Mary Jane Watson jilted an astronaut to hook up with a dorky nebbish of a photographer… well, I’m not sure why J. Jonah would keep giving photography assignments to the thoroughly inferior milktoast who stole his son’s fiancée, and I’ll bet the _Daily Bugle_ won’t be offering any positive reviews to MJ’s performances. I dunno about that. His first thought when he realized his son had been left at the altar was “Tell the caterers not to open the caviar.” I think that, as long as photos of Spiderman sell newspapers, he’ll be more than willing to employ Peter. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818/80 "2004-07-03T01:53:58Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > I didn’t stay for the entire close credits. Anything at the very end? Nothing special…just a brief, isolated scene of Harry Osborn sneaking into Pete’s apartment, stealing a few hairs from his comb, and sealing them into an envelope labeled “Warren Cloning Technologies.” I’m not sure if there’s any significance to that or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spiderman-2-spoilers/252818.md?page=5)