# Spit or Swallow? A followup poll   TMI?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [March 29, 2003, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070 "2003-03-29T20:44:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/301 "2003-04-10T22:49:39Z")

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> \*Originally posted by tanookie \*  
> **Kind of reminds me of a friend we had in college… he tried to explain that he had a gf who would bring a cup of tea and a glass of ice water to bed so she could alternate between a hot and cold mouth as she blew him. He’s talking like this is the greatest thing in the world and my brain is going what an annoying pain in the butt. If you make something so much work for your partner that it is all clinical concentration you kind of ruin things for both of you.**

Nah, it wouldn’t take concentration on the guy’s part. He could just lay back and enjoy. If she enjoyed doing it, it would make an interesting variation. Kind of like the Hall’s Mentholyptus technique. Besides, sometimes it’s about the journey, not the destination. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/302 "2003-04-10T22:52:36Z")

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> \*Originally posted by El Elvis Rojo \*  
> \*\*…I would GLADLY give up all that to be with my first ex. \*\*

Does _she_ know that?

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/303 "2003-04-10T23:03:46Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Lynne\_kilii \*  
> \*\*Any guys out there realize when you’ve hit a girl’s gag reflex? Or does it take her pulling away for you to realize? \*\*

I think I’m going to have to answer this with a “it depends”. If she’s gagging, she’s probably going to break rhythm, open her mouth briefly, and/or pull away for a second (or more). Depending on how she reacts, I would probably (and have, on numerous occasions) notice, unless I was so into the sensation that very little would penetrate my consciousness.

But, I’m not entirely sure we’re using the same definition of gagging. To me, a gag involves an involuntary physical response. The jaw opens, the tongue tries to force the offending object out of the mouth, the throat closes up. I suppose one could train oneself not to respond, but I think it would be hard. But, what the heck…I’ll volunteer to be the trainer, if anyone wants to learn. I’m willing to keep trying until we get it right. 😉

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/304 "2003-04-10T23:05:59Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Rhino’sHoney \*  
> \*\*This thread just goes on and on lol… I am learning so much! Who said the net wasn’t educational huh? 😃 \*\*

I thought you were one of the teachers!

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**Author:** ![\_etalhea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/779978/32.png) [@\_etalhea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_etalhea)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/305 "2003-04-10T23:16:04Z")

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I’d like to address both the “grabbing of the head” issue and the “don’t you realize we’re gagging” issue with one comment.

First of all, I want you ladies to realize that to (almost) every man in the world, a BJ is a blessing from heaven. It’s like Christmas, Mardis Gras, Spring Break and your birthday all rolled into one. It’s truly the time that we live for. Thoughts of a future BJ can get a man thru work, war, and just about any other hard times he may face. I would seriously consider walking thru hot lave if there was a guaranteed porn-quality BJ on the other side.

So, understand, during a BJ we are nowhere near sane or coherent.

My cognitive ability during a BJ resembles a blood alcohol level well above the legal limit. I do not know my name when I’m being blown. If, during a BJ, you asked me what 2+2 was, I would probably say Minnesota.

We are truly blessed that you bestow this ultimate gift of love/lust on us.

But don’t count on us thinking or using logic during the festivites.

I believe George Carlin said it best. God gave us a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time.

If there’s something we need to know about while you’re blowing us, tell us about it (loudly) and try not to use any big words. If that fails, just haul off and whack us. We won’t mind. We don’t want to piss you off, 'cause you might stop.

Thanks again!

your pal.

//\etalhea|)

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**Author:** ![Honeydew\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19b73/32.png) [@Honeydew\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honeydew_1)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/306 "2003-04-10T23:16:07Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> \*\*I thought you were one of the teachers! \*\*

Awwwhhhhhh shucks _blushes_ … well you know, thats the thing, there is no school where you can learn these things (pity that really - I bet everyone would be on time for those classes!!) so you just go about your life and do what feels right. Sometimes its nice to know what you’re doing is as good as (maybe even better than) others.

So, despite some negative comments about this kind of thread, I really do (in honesty) feel they are important - people could have learnt some things (ok they could have gotten off at the thought of it, but hey, that made them happy right? 😛 )

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/307 "2003-04-10T23:25:50Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Sapphire Wolf \*  
> \*\*Honestly, I didn’t talk to Mr Wolf until after I made my first posts. And even then, it almost didn’t happen. \*\*

Hey! Another achievement for this thread! 😃

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> \*\*For me, it’s very difficult to talk about sex, and any likes or dislikes associate with it. I would much rather just lay there and stare at the ceiling the whole time than actually talk about it. \*\*

You know what they say; practice makes perfect. Actually, I’m also uncomfortable talking about it, face to face, so I genuinely applaud you for your courage.

In my case the reasons are twofold. First, and try not to hurt yourselves laughing, I am _not_ a talker. In real life, I’m one of those guys who will silently take in an entire conversation going on around him and then, if asked, recap it in four sentences. My sister once sent me a computer generated horoscope. Under Communication Style, it said “Your verbal style is silence.” And, it was right.

The other reason is the dreadful gut-churning feeling of waiting for the part when the woman’s face registers disgust, dislike, or, worst of all, disinterest. And, the aftermath. I’d rather wait and see if what I want happens, or if I can coax it into happening, without exposing myself to that. (At least I’m an honest coward.)

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/308 "2003-04-10T23:49:32Z")

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> \*Originally posted by mipiace \*  
> \*\*Depends on my mood - mostly swallow but if I am not in the mood, I make it a visual thing for him letting it flow all over me. They like that too, then you can just wipe it with a towel or tissue…🙂 \*\*

Another newcomer! Thanks for joining us, **mipiace**. I like your style. You obviously enjoy pleasing your man.

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/309 "2003-04-11T00:26:39Z")

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> \*Originally posted by //\etalhea|) \*  
> **I’d like to address both the “grabbing of the head” issue and the “don’t you realize we’re gagging” issue with one comment.**

Well said, oh shiny one. George is a wise man. Or, as U2 put it, in a different, but similar, context: “I don’t know my right from left, or my right from wrong.”

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> \*Originally posted by Rhino’sHoney \*  
> **there is no school where you can learn these things (pity that really - I bet everyone would be on time for those classes!!)**

Hell, I’d volunteer to be a teacher’s aid. 😃 Actually, there was a rumor a couple years ago, that there was such a school, in California. Don’t know if it was true, or not, but I always wanted to date a graduate, if it was.

BTW, I’m also really impressed that both of you managed to get those posts in while the hamsters were apparently on dinner break.

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**Author:** ![Branwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@Branwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Branwen)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/310 "2003-04-11T03:02:42Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> \*\*I’ll volunteer to be the trainer, if anyone wants to learn. I’m willing to keep trying until we get it right. 😉 \*\*

What a nice guy, offering yourself up like that!😃

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**Author:** ![Searching\_For\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Searching\_For\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Searching_For_Truth)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/311 "2003-04-11T03:35:12Z")

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I find it _slightly_ ironic that this past weekend was the first time I gave head to an uncircumcised man (after reading earlier comments in this thread about just that), and that it was, overall, far easier and quicker than it has been in months.

::accepting-award voice:: I believe, with all my heart, that it was the mental priming of this thread that is ultimately responsible for this success, and I’d like to thank everyone for their advice and open contributions in the discussion of this momentous topic. I love you guys! ::wipes away tear::

[sub]Interesting notes: This is the first guy that wouldn’t really let me kiss him afterwards. He also didn’t want me to kiss him after he went down on me.  
Me: “I don’t care, no, really.”  
Him: “No, I don’t think you want to do that.”

Hello, yeah, obviously I do. It’s not as if I don’t know where your mouth’s been.

He also started pulling my head away gently, and I didn’t understand til it hit me that he was already, well, finishing. I was surprised and pleased. [/sub]

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**Author:** ![pokey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@pokey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pokey)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/312 "2003-04-11T03:36:24Z")

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I realized something weird about the head pushing issue tonight. My partner always puts his hand on the back of my head and says, “okay?” I make a happy sound for yes and an unhappy sound for no. I didn’t realize until tonight that the whole reason I don’t mind having my head pushed is that he pauses before he pushes to make sure I’m okay with it.

I never realized deep throat was a big deal. I had a long relationship where we were pretty disorganized about birth control and oral sex became the everyday thing and vaginal sex was the big treat. I had so many orgasms during oral sex that it became very very pleasurable for me just to think about and my current partner knows that it’s about me as much as it’s about him. He knows what I like and he is trying to please me by timing his orgasm with mine. It’s like the battle for the sperm. He wants to keep it in and what I want to do is more and more enthusiasticly suck it out. I guess because of that he starts to not let me put it down my throat and that makes me want to even more and it’s very exciting. Come to think of it, it’s probably the only time we ever really make any kind of honest effort at co-operation and teamwork. I know he cares at that time because he is genuinely trying to please me by telling me to slow down and that it feels good and he won’t be able to hold back, etc. It makes me feel great because he is telling me I make him feel good and at the same time he’s trying to not feel too good for my benefit.

I kind of drifted off on a tangent there. I no longer remember my point.

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**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/313 "2003-04-11T09:37:05Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> \*\*Dude! 20 seconds? \*\*

I’ve since gotten a lot better. It now takes me about ten to fifteen minutes (or until whoever I’m with pulls away. Now I apparently last TOO long). I think a lot has to do with 1) she really didn’t care for it, so once she found out what got me going, she would do that, 2) like I said, with hands, I last a lot longer, so it may have just been the whole experience, 3) I’m very big on touching, kissing, and all other aspects of foreplay, and I generally go first. This means, she didn’t get to me till after about an hour or so, and after so many starts and stops, Mr. Happy was pretty much fed up and ready to get it over with and go to bed. And 4) I cared for her a LOT more than the other women I’ve been with since. I’m pretty sure that had a lot to do with the super excitement factor.

As for whether or not she still knows, I have no idea. She’s a smart girl, so I’m pretty sure she does, but I’ve noticed girl’s tend to be rather blind to such things.

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/314 "2003-04-11T10:24:21Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Searching For Truth \*  
> \*\*I find it _slightly_ ironic that this past weekend was the first time I gave head to an uncircumcised man (after reading earlier comments in this thread about just that), and that it was, overall, far easier and quicker than it has been in months. \*\*

And, here I thought you were saving yourself for me. Humph! Quicker, huh? His name wasn’t **Elvis** , was it? (Just kidding, **Elvis**.) I guess we can chalk up another win for this thread, eh?

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> **::accepting-award voice:: I believe, with all my heart, that it was the mental priming of this thread that is ultimately responsible for this success, and I’d like to thank everyone for their advice and open contributions in the discussion of this momentous topic. I love you guys! ::wipes away tear::**

::We like you! We really like you!::

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> **Hello, yeah, obviously I do. It’s not as if I don’t know where your mouth’s been.**

😃

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/315 "2003-04-11T10:34:14Z")

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> \*Originally posted by pokey \*  
> \*\*I realized something weird about the head pushing issue tonight. My partner always puts his hand on the back of my head and says, “okay?” I make a happy sound for yes and an unhappy sound for no. I didn’t realize until tonight that the whole reason I don’t mind having my head pushed is that he pauses before he pushes to make sure I’m okay with it. \*\*

That’s cool. I wonder how the other ladies would feel about that. Oh, and if I haven’t done so, already, allow me to welcome you to the SDMB, in general and the Spit ‘n’ Swallow Pub, in particular. Can I get you anything?

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> \*\*I never realized deep throat was a big deal. I had a long relationship where we were pretty disorganized about birth control and oral sex became the everyday thing and vaginal sex was the big treat. I had so many orgasms during oral sex that it became very very pleasurable for me just to think about and my current partner knows that it’s about me as much as it’s about him. He knows what I like and he is trying to please me by timing his orgasm with mine. It’s like the battle for the sperm. He wants to keep it in and what I want to do is more and more enthusiasticly suck it out. I guess because of that he starts to not let me put it down my throat and that makes me want to even more and it’s very exciting. Come to think of it, it’s probably the only time we ever really make any kind of honest effort at co-operation and teamwork. I know he cares at that time because he is genuinely trying to please me by telling me to slow down and that it feels good and he won’t be able to hold back, etc. It makes me feel great because he is telling me I make him feel good and at the same time he’s trying to not feel too good for my benefit.
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> I kind of drifted off on a tangent there. I no longer remember my point. \*\*

I’m sorry, I don’t remember either. But, are you getting warm? I was cold a minute ago, and now I’m almost sweating, for some reason. Anyone else hot?

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/316 "2003-04-11T10:47:01Z")

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> \*Originally posted by El Elvis Rojo \*  
> \*\*I’ve since gotten a lot better. \*\*

Good. So, you’re not a newt, any more?

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> \*\* It now takes me about ten to fifteen minutes (or until whoever I’m with pulls away. Now I apparently last TOO long). I think a lot has to do with 1) she really didn’t care for it, so once she found out what got me going, she would do that, 2) like I said, with hands, I last a lot longer, so it may have just been the whole experience, 3) I’m very big on touching, kissing, and all other aspects of foreplay, and I generally go first. This means, she didn’t get to me till after about an hour or so, and after so many starts and stops, Mr. Happy was pretty much fed up and ready to get it over with and go to bed. And 4) I cared for her a LOT more than the other women I’ve been with since. I’m pretty sure that had a lot to do with the super excitement factor.\*\*

Good analysis. Are you, by any chance, also relatively young? Say, under 25? If so, that’s another factor weighing against you.

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> \*\*As for whether or not she still knows, I have no idea. She’s a smart girl, so I’m pretty sure she does, but I’ve noticed girl’s tend to be rather blind to such things. \*\*

Hmm. The hint didn’t work, so let’s try this. _Ahem_ **_TELL_ HER!**

All kidding aside, you sound like a man in love. You’re good at analysis. Figure out if you are, or not, and if you are, tell her. You owe it to both of you.

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**Author:** ![Tir\_Tinuviel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@Tir\_Tinuviel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tir_Tinuviel)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/317 "2003-04-11T10:48:59Z")

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> \*Originally posted by cherry \*  
> \*\*is that a subtle difference good or bad?
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> or is it like say you have altoids in your mouth and then go down and have oral and then blow and its cool… tingly…is it like that… like cold metal feeling? \*\*

The stud isn’t cold! It’s going through your tongue, and it’s in your mouth, it’s body temperature. 😉  
Actually, in the winter I like sticking my tongue out, letting the stud freeze, and then putting my tongue back in my mouth, quite a pleasing sensation, I don’t think I’ve ever given head in sub zero temperatures though!

I was thinking about getting another piercing in my tongue, might put a ring through the end. If I do I’ll be sure to report back with updated findings!

As a side note, a pireced tongue makes a difference to girlies too! 😉

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> \*Originally posted by coosa \*  
> **However, I’m with Sapphire Wolf a bit on the hands/head thing - I don’t mind fingers through my hair, or head cuddling - but _do not_ put your hand(s) on the back of my head and _push_! Not only are you destroying my rhythm and making my neck hurt, you’re also risking an unpleasant encounter with _teeth_. And the end of your lovely BJ, because I _will_ stop. Pushing is rude, anyway; I’m already doing my best to give you a wonderful experience and you’re trying to _force_ me (even gently) into giving you more? Forget it!**

Actually, I like it. It feels good to have him hold my head tight and just fuck my mouth - eg, he makes all the movement, I just use my tongue and lips. I dont really have a gag reflex, so him going deep doesn’t bother me too much.  
It’s much easier to do this while he’s standing and I’m kneeling, it gets the angle right to avoid teeth and to deep throat, then he can set the pace and depth, and I can give my neck a rest. 😉

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/318 "2003-04-11T11:03:06Z")

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I’m going to highjack my own thread, here. I had other things I wanted to say to **Elvis** , and this didn’t fit in, but he got me wondering. Ladies? How long _IS_ too long?

I’ve never timed myself (What are you, _kidding_ me? Watch a clock when _THAT’s_ going on???), but I’ve had a lot of women stop before I reached climax. At some point in this marathon, I mentioned I don’t mind that, so it isn’t a problem, as long as I can finish up, somehow. (No, manual stimulation, only, won’t do.) I’d prefer that to having all activity cease the moment I start to come. But, I’ve never been sure if I was being excessively tardy, or if the women were just…out of training, shall we say?

Ten or fifteen minutes is nothing to me, when I go down on a lady, but I realize it’s much harder on a woman’s jaw, when she returns the favor. So, for my future (Dammit!) refence, and because I owe **Elvis** something for allowing me to needle him, can you give us guys some kind of guideline?

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/319 "2003-04-11T11:06:50Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Branwen \*  
> \*\*What a nice guy, offering yourself up like that!😃 \*\*

Hey, I’m willing to…_ahem_…take one for the team. 😃 Ahahahaha! Or, a hundred. Or, whatever it takes. I’m just here to help, after all.

I crack me up!

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spit-or-swallow-a-followup-poll-tmi/165070/320 "2003-04-11T11:14:52Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Tir Tinuviel \*  
> **I was thinking about getting another piercing in my tongue, might put a ring through the end. If I do I’ll be sure to report back with updated findings!**

The fangster is back! 🙂

Umm, not to sound like your dad but, I’d think that would be really bad for your teeth. They say tongue piercings are bad for your teeth, in general, but having it constantly clicking on the insides of your front teeth would probably be worse. I’d hate to see that great smile ruined. Besides, how would you eat an ice cream cone, with that?

On the other hand, I’d really like to experience that from the guy’s side.

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> \*\*Actually, I like it. It feels good to have him hold my head tight and just fuck my mouth - eg, he makes all the movement, I just use my tongue and lips. I dont really have a gag reflex, so him going deep doesn’t bother me too much.  
> It’s much easier to do this while he’s standing and I’m kneeling, it gets the angle right to avoid teeth and to deep throat, then he can set the pace and depth, and I can give my neck a rest. 😉 \*\*

Okay, who keeps messing with the heat? I was just starting to cool off, and now it’s roasting, in here, again.

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