# Splitting the Difference--Dead Thread for The Split **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 18, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357 "2009-02-18T03:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/261 "2009-04-02T21:23:09Z")
Another idea after putting all [the colors next to each other](http://www.xs4all.nl/~walterln/TheSplit/testerizer.html) (not sure if Mahaloth claimed R/F). If a rancher gets a color first, a farmer can get it as second and the other way around. That way Jimmy is probably town and rancher, while inconclusive about Mahaloth, though I think the odds are wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/262 "2009-04-03T15:02:45Z")
> [@Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1536): > > Crazy. According to that purple’s one syllable. I can’t even _imagine_. Buwahahahahaha! Methinks someone’s algorithm is a bit off. Clearly they didn’t test their program very well. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/263 "2009-04-03T15:12:44Z")
pedescribe’s interjection makes me think Jimmy’s syllable theory has merit. Though I still prefer Natlaw’s point that the pattern really should be color based. Making it a word-thing is kind of silly. Word games should be played with words. Color games should be played with colors. Word games using colors is needlessly confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/264 "2009-04-03T15:42:34Z")
I’m pretty confident about my last one, though didn’t spell it out completely: A Town Rancher shares his colors with the opposite position one of a Town Farmer. A Werewolf Rancher, however, shares his colors with the same position one of a Farmer. Same holds when you switch Rancher and Farmer in the above rules. Supporting evidence: Justin, Werewolf Rancher, shares his Purple second with Farmer Seekers Purple second. Rancher Telcontar shares his Green second with Farmer Novembers Green first. Farmer Seeker shares his Black first with Rancher Jimmy’s Black second. It would need to have these missing patterns for Town: Rancher: Yellow/? Red/? Purple/? - ?/Fuchsia Farmer: ?/Brown Cerulean/? - ?/Blue Teal/? - ?/Aqua The combinations are not fixed, could be Yellow-Fuchsia, etc. This assumes Mahaloth is Werewolf Farmer, or it won’t fit :D. It could be simpler in that a wolf just duplicate colors in the same position, but I like how I can fit in the Rancher/Farmer divide :). ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/265 "2009-04-03T16:04:03Z")
Whoohoo! We got another one! ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/266 "2009-04-03T17:12:07Z")
And shoot my theory in little pieces. Back to the drawing board :(. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/267 "2009-04-03T18:30:18Z")
I’ll be curious to find out how pedescribe assigned values for the testerizer. I wonder if he determines the values each week or if he assigned values to each player at the beginning of the game. At first, it doesn’t seem like it matters, but I believe it does. Especially in light of the double “Bl” this week. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/268 "2009-04-03T19:22:33Z")
Man, the people in this thread think more like the way I expected Town players to think. Stupid testerizer. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/269 "2009-04-03T23:49:14Z")
Heh heh. Welcome to the graveyard. Very nicely played with the pointing of your finger at **Telcontar**. Now I can’t figure out if he’s an innocent townie you meant to implicate, or if he’s actually a wolf, and you want town to think he’s innocent by virtue of your accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/270 "2009-04-05T16:36:25Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Man, the people in this thread think more like the way I expected Town players to think. > Stupid testerizer. It helped that I really did think you were a wolf pre-test; The way you broke the tie between Justin and Mhaye really stood out to me once I started getting suspicious of mhaye. I actually had fairly elaborate reasons for wanting to kill you, but was too lazy to put together a “he always votes late, he’s a joiner, he doesn’t add many new arguments, he voted with justin a lot…” sort of case. I was full prepared to take your theory seriously if you had turned out to be town though 🙂 > [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Heh heh. Welcome to the graveyard. Very nicely played with the pointing of your finger at **Telcontar**. Now I can’t figure out if he’s an innocent townie you meant to implicate, or if he’s actually a wolf, and you want town to think he’s innocent by virtue of your accusation. 🙂 He really was doing rather well. Having said that it’s easy for a wolf going down to play the aggrieved townie. In both Jimmy and EH’s cases I really had second thoughts as the vote was going through. > [@rexnervous](#): > > This is fairly interesting. Jimmy is playing it very cool if he is a wolf. And if the testerizer guess is wrong, now that would make for a very interesting final day or two. > > One thing to keep in mind - this is not a Town v. Wolf game, and I wonder if that is playing a role at all here. The wolves still hold the power (in some sense) if they can get the ranchers to fight against the farmers (but that would probably be a fairly obvious tell). Moreso, I wonder if the two remaining farmers are thinking end-game yet. > > I hope Jimmy is a wolf. If not, then my faction (town rancher) will have been decimated lately. I was so sure we were going to win. Given that both we and the wolves were killing in a random (in respect to farmer/rancher status) fashion, the game has always been heavily biased towards a tie. This is why I was so eager to kill jimmy the day before yesterday. I knew that if i was right about him then i was probably right about mhaye and killing wolf then wolf would have given the game to the ranchers. As it is, this game should be over this week, with a tie. Anyone still think that: 1.) Mhaye is innocent? 2.) Mhaye is wrong about the testerizer? Since Jimmy was a wolf, I think it’s pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/271 "2009-04-05T16:57:09Z")
> [@Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1555): > > Goodbye, Telcontar. We bid thee farewell as you slip the bonds of Earth…right into a werewolves’ mouth. > > So…it’s daytime now. > > **test fluiddruid/Adrian II** But but… **Justin Credible** (5): Telcontar, Mhaye, rexnervous, AllWalker, **Jimmy Chitwood** MHaye (4): Zeriel, Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Oredigger77 When wolves cast decisive votes for wolves there’s usually a reason, no? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/272 "2009-04-05T17:14:12Z")
That’s an interesting and fairly complete theory of the game. That isn’t quite where I thought you were coming from. Really. Very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/273 "2009-04-05T17:41:13Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > That’s an interesting and fairly complete theory of the game. That isn’t quite where I thought you were coming from. > > Really. Very interesting. I mean, I could be wrong, and you’d certainly be the one to know if i was, but I was very serious about: [QUOTE=Telcontar;10973015T] **Jimmy** has bugged me for a few days and I have this paranoid fantasy in which both he and **mhaye** are wolves. I’m impatient and I want to find out if i’m right. [/QUOTE] > [@Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1479): > > **mahaloth** is also pseudo confirmed innocent. > > I want to kill primarily because 1.) I don’t think it hurts the villagers as a whole 2.) anything that helps end the game earlier helps my faction 3.) we’re a fragging lynch mob, killing people is what we do. > > Anyway, in the even that i’m not around tomorrow i have really good feelings about \*\*rex \*\*and **oredigger77** , and I trust the test results of **mahaloth**. That means that, from my perspective, dawn tomorrow would see > > Innocent: > **Mahaloth > Oredigger77 > Rexnervous** > > Potentially guilty: > **Allwalker > [Undecided] Adrian the II > Jimmy Chitwood > MHaye** > > If I’m right about **oredigger77** and\*\* rexnervous\*\* (and people agree i’m right) the game is trivial. Test 1. If not guilty, lynch 2. Next day: test 3, if not guilty lynch 4. > > Why **Mhaye** is less innocent than **Oredigger77** and **Rex** : > Looking at the voting around the death of **EH** , I noticed that **Mhaye** was happy to vote for me, but didn’t want to tie it. He said this right before the vote and was definitely around to break any future ties that developed. The aversion to ties makes jack sense, but I’m willing to pass on that per se. Had **EH** switched his vote twenty minutes earlier (perfectly sensible defensive voting) then mhaye could have swept in and broken the new tie (justifying it by his aversion to ties). **EH** lives, I die, wolves are in a much better position. It would also reframe the **mhaye** - **justin** standoff as wolf wolf, which explains why\*\* justin\*\* was so willing to die and makes\*\* mhaye’\*\*s testerizer analysis look like a bold wolf play. **Jimmy** broke the \*\*mhaye-justin \*\*tie near the end, which would count in his favor, but only if **mhaye** wasn’t also a wolf. > > Anyway, i’d say test **jimmy** tomorrow. if he’s a wolf deal with him and then take a hard look at **mhaye** for the next day. > [@Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1521): > > If Jimmy is a wolf we should test MHaye next, for reasons that should be fairly clear. Anyway, town has a very clear path to victory if the testerizer is correctly solved regardless of whether I’m right. Only advantages to being right today are speed and guaranteed tie. If we wait until tomorrow to be right then there is a 33% chance of a random faction winning outright. I suppose adriann would be my next suspicion, but that’s primarily due to lack of better options. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/274 "2009-04-06T15:49:49Z")
> [@Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1560): > > I think MHaye is all but confirmed now… Note to self: next time, rant more. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/275 "2009-04-06T17:27:27Z")
If there is only one wolf left, and the testerizer theory is indeed correct, then the rest of the game is a sure win for Town. All Town has to do is if they fail to test a wolf, make sure they enter each Night with an even number of players. That means if they test Town and have an odd number of players, they need to lynch one of the unknowns. If they test Town and have an even number of players, No Lynch. Town can’t lose unless they are wrong about the testerizer or there is more than one wolf left. How many players did the game start with? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/276 "2009-04-06T17:35:58Z")
I think eighteen? ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/277 "2009-04-08T16:32:26Z")
Okay, **Vermilion** was just mean. Vermilion and Crimson? They’re gonna shit bricks. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/278 "2009-04-08T16:44:36Z")
I doubt it. Vermillion is quite a distance beyond Crimson alphabetically, so I imagine that they’ll proceed to lynch phase posthaste. **Sachertorte** ’s perspective has been mine for quite some time, for what it’s worth. I thought town had the game locked up days ago as long as they didn’t do anything aggressively counterproductive. Which is why the lethargic, uninspired town play lately has been so frustrating from a wolf perspective, since it didn’t produce any mistakes but it wasn’t especially exciting gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/279 "2009-04-08T16:52:02Z")
Is anyone in here but me hoping that FluidAdrian turns up to be town? Y’know, just to make the theory wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/280 "2009-04-08T17:20:53Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I doubt it. Vermillion is quite a distance beyond Crimson alphabetically, so I imagine that they’ll proceed to lynch phase posthaste. > > **Sachertorte** ’s perspective has been mine for quite some time, for what it’s worth. I thought town had the game locked up days ago as long as they didn’t do anything aggressively counterproductive. Which is why the lethargic, uninspired town play lately has been so frustrating from a wolf perspective, since it didn’t produce any mistakes but it wasn’t especially exciting gameplay. As I mentioned in game that was my view. If the testerizer theory is right then wolf victory has been really really unlikely for some time. Having said that I was rather proud of the EH, Justin, Jimmy string, even if it wasn’t strictly necessary. > [@DogMom](#): > > Is anyone in here but me hoping that FluidAdrian turns up to be town? Y’know, just to make the theory wrong? Well, I’m really confused by Jimmy’s vote to test Justin if Adrian II is a wolf. Having said that, the testerizer theory really does look right overall, so i would be voting to lynch adrian II right now. (also confused why zeriel didn’t die earlier, why tested people were allowed to build up, etc, but those just look like clear mistakes). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357.md?page=15)