# Splitting the Difference--Dead Thread for The Split **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 18, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357 "2009-02-18T03:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/101 "2009-03-04T20:23:03Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Odd, though, if he’s really scum, and he’s experienced–wouldn’t he know better than to say so little? He’s a newbie to Mafia. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/102 "2009-03-04T20:43:17Z")
Hey, what about **Oredigger**? Why doesn’t he want a **Seeker** lynch? It’s like he’s defending **Seeker** but you’d think he’d know better than to do that if they really are both wolves. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/103 "2009-03-04T21:02:50Z")
> [@DogMom](#): > > Yeah, I think they got WAY too distracted with the Testerizer early on, and were hoping that it’d be something like an insta-Cop or some such. Obviously it’s not working that way… > > I’m curious to see how it tells you _anything_ except what its favorite colors of the day are, frankly. I hope **pedescribe** Reveals All About The Testerizer when the game is done. Oh, I will. 😃 And when I do, I guarantee you’ll all go :smack: OOHHH! :smack: Unless someone figures it out before hand. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/104 "2009-03-04T21:06:18Z")
Okay, black and purple. We had green and red for **november** , and…what’d we get for me? Aqua and teal? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/105 "2009-03-04T21:23:02Z")
My prediction: **Oredigger** ’s a lycanthrope who’s trying to clean up the mess that **Seeker** just made. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/106 "2009-03-04T21:24:05Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Oh, I will. 😃 > > And when I do, I guarantee you’ll all go :smack: OOHHH! :smack: > > Unless someone figures it out before hand. This is one of the things I am spoiled about, and honestly I am surprised that no one has picked up on the answer yet. Maybe after one more run they will see it. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/107 "2009-03-04T21:31:44Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > My prediction: **Oredigger** ’s a lycanthrope who’s trying to clean up the mess that **Seeker** just made. Ooh. Explain more, pls. I was thinking that **Oredigger** seems to be the only townie that isn’t getting strung along by this ploy. Also GREEN RED AQUA TEAL BLACK PURPLE Ordinary Rancher (Rancher Ordinary) Ordinary Rancher (Rancher Ordinary) Probably Scum (Scum Probably) – says he’s a farmer ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/108 "2009-03-04T21:32:56Z")
What’s the testerizer raw data? I’ll take a crack at the puzzle. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/109 "2009-03-04T21:45:45Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Ooh. Explain more, pls. I was thinking that **Oredigger** seems to be the only townie that isn’t getting strung along by this ploy. Just the whole “We know Seeker’s prolly a wolf, but let’s save him for a rainy day” gives me a weird vibe. If we KNOW, why not just get rid of him? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/110 "2009-03-04T22:02:21Z")
Apparently, **fluid** sees it, too. I’m glad they’re not all going to blindly follow **Oredigger** with his Don’t let’s lynch **Seeker** even if we know he’s a wolf. > [@Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/912): > > Why is it pro-Town to go after the next best candidate? If we have a very high likelihood of lynching a scum, why not lock it in so we can be sure of that before we proceed? Leaving a suspected scum alive only will serve as a distraction and will limit the amount of usable data we can get from the kill. > > Frankly, Oredigger77, I’m having a hard time seeing why your position is pro-town. Choosing the next best candidate does not make any real sense unless you truly believe there is some sort of power in the game that hurts town when lynching a specific scum player. I cannot imagine why on earth this would be the case, it would throw off the whole balance of the game. I’ll say this much: my vote stands, and if Seeker shows up as scum as I strongly believe, I’m going to be taking a long, hard look at your posts. If you think he’s really a wolf, DON’T put off killing him. You don’t have that kind of time. You’ve already lost way too many townies. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/111 "2009-03-04T22:25:10Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > GREEN RED > AQUA TEAL > BLACK PURPLE > > Ordinary Rancher (Rancher Ordinary) > Ordinary Rancher (Rancher Ordinary) > Probably Scum (Scum Probably) – says he’s a farmer Is the assertion that this is a solvable puzzle? From my viewpoint the only viable conclusion is that the testerizer yields random results. There hasn’t even been one repeated color. For there to be pattern it would have to be a non-color pattern. Something with the words. Green has five letters and red has three for a sum of 8. Similarly Aqua plus Teal equals 8. Black plus Purple sums to 11. But there isn’t enough data to draw conclusions from that. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/112 "2009-03-04T22:58:29Z")
It \*is \*a solvable puzzle, but you’re right, it isn’t solvable yet. There isn’t enough data yet for it to be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/113 "2009-03-04T22:59:06Z")
**NAF** , do you know the solution? Like, did **pedescribe** tell you? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/114 "2009-03-04T23:10:51Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > **NAF** , do you know the solution? Like, did **pedescribe** tell you? Yeah, he did way back when it started. So I don’t want to say more than that I think sach is right and there isn’t enough information to figure it out yet. ETA: But I do think it will be crackable eventually. Just not until tomorrow at the soonest. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/115 "2009-03-04T23:45:41Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Apparently, **fluid** sees it, too. I’m glad they’re not all going to blindly follow **Oredigger** with his Don’t let’s lynch **Seeker** even if we know he’s a wolf. > > If you think he’s really a wolf, DON’T put off killing him. You don’t have that kind of time. You’ve already lost way too many townies. Makes sense, but I think **Oredigger** opposes killing him on the grounds that it seems to be what he _wants_ to happen. And it’s probably not a good policy to give wolves what they want. Also, I should have added to that last line that **Seeker** is definitely a farmer. GREEN RED AQUA TEAL BLACK PURPLE Ordinary Rancher (Rancher Ordinary) Ordinary Rancher (Rancher Ordinary) Werewolf Farmer (Farmer Werewolf) ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/116 "2009-03-04T23:54:10Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Makes sense, but I think **Oredigger** opposes killing him on the grounds that it seems to be what he _wants_ to happen. And it’s probably not a good policy to give wolves what they want. True. I don’t know, I guess I kind of just started disregarding what he wanted, and just looked at him as something to be rid of. No matter who dies on Friday, it’s going to be a super interesting lynch. ETA: Also the whole “I’m not really a wolf, I wanted to see what you would say, GOTCHA YA!” kind of reminded me of when some posters would post racist/bigoted stuff and then say stuff like, “Just kidding, I wanted to test you guys!” It just rings really untrue to me. If it turns out that **Seeker** is a vanilla townie, I’m going to be in awe of what a horrible player he was. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/117 "2009-03-05T12:37:29Z")
Well, everyone’s turning on **Seeker** , obviously, but I did have to laugh at **Telcontar’s** line of “nuke him till he glows, then shoot him in the dark.” 😃 Whoa, **Oredigger** has some really bad notions. “Pretend **Seeker** is a wolf and read all his stuff with that assumption in mind without actually testing it”? BAAAAD idea - what if **Seeker** _is_ really just a Vanilla Farmer that played it bad? You’re then making assumptions that **Seeker’s** acting on knowledge when he isn’t. Hrm, interesting theory that **Seeker** was trying to set **Telcontar** up to go down next day, but makes no sense. If **Seeker’s** a wolf, and **Tel’s** town, then it would’ve been in **Seeker’s** best interest to just keep his yap shut, because \*\*Tel \*\*was drawing dang near all the suspicion already. Makes no sense to suddenly claim wolf just to “set up” **Tel** - especially since it looks like **Oredigger** is living up to his name and digging himself a hole labeled “WolfTrap” with his insistence that they lynch someone besides **Seeker** toDay. And I’m _still_ not happy with **Elendil’s Heir’s** play. He’s gonna swing soon if he ain’t careful. I get being busy and all, but…wow. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/118 "2009-03-05T15:55:46Z")
> [@DogMom](#): > > I did have to laugh at **Telcontar’s** line of “nuke him till he glows, then shoot him in the dark.” The first time I ever came across that phrase was in the computer game “Wasteland”, which was copleted in 1987 and first released in 1988. I wonder where it originated from. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/119 "2009-03-05T16:43:32Z")
Ah, why is **Seeker** showing his role PM? The role PMs for ordinary roles were already posted by **pedescribe**. So they’re irrelevant. Unless he’s forgotten this and really is a townie. Or unless he’s just found the role PM in the thread and is a wolf and is hoping no one else realizes that the role PMs are avail. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/120 "2009-03-05T16:46:19Z")
I hope the town doesn’t disregard _everything_ that **Oredigger** is saying just because they think he’s scum. The fact that EH hasn’t actually said anything of substance _yet_ is really significant, and he needs to be pressured into saying _something_ besides, “um…yeah, I agree with everyone. String 'em up.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357.md?page=7)