# Splitting the Difference--Dead Thread for The Split **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 18, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357 "2009-02-18T03:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/161 "2009-03-11T15:08:09Z")
> [@DogMom](#): > > Interestingly, [Pedescribe says it’ll **unduly alter the gamestate** if he says whether or not Wolves have Farmer / Rancher alignment.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10921022&postcount=1072) > So either **Zeriel** is lying through his sharp pointy teeth and **pedescribe** refuses to answer the question because it would reveal that **Zeriel** lied, > OR > **Zeriel** is True-Blue Townsperson and **pedescribe** refuses to answer the question because it would reveal that **Zeriel** is who he says he is. And it doesn’t matter which is true. Pedescribe won’t answer the question because it ties in directly to the setup of the game. It’d be like asking “How many scum are out there?” and expecting a response. Even if Zeriel had not claimed, the question would not be answered. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/162 "2009-03-11T16:29:21Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > And it doesn’t matter which is true. Pedescribe won’t answer the question because it ties in directly to the setup of the game. It’d be like asking “How many scum are out there?” and expecting a response. Even if Zeriel had not claimed, the question would not be answered. Yes, exactly. Sorry…I posted rather at random without finishing the thought, which is what you brought up. I was getting at it truly _doesn’t_ matter from **Pedescribe’s** end of things - there was no other way he could’ve answered - but I’ll be interested to see if that does come up again in-game…and how people will read it if it does. Considering that it could be taken either way, as I said, I think it’ll be interesting to see how people handle it. I have no idea what it’ll mean, but I do think it has the potential for a lovely shitstorm, should anyone care to fan it so. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/163 "2009-03-11T19:18:10Z")
DANGIT, **PEDESCRIBE** , that Testerizer is driving me nuts. No idea what those pretty colors mean. None. What. So. Freaking. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/164 "2009-03-12T17:38:07Z")
Me too. They’re insane. I like that everyone’s posting more, though it is getting way harder to keep up with everyone’s posting. I still think **Elendil’s** needs to die, like soon. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/165 "2009-03-12T18:20:44Z")
> [@DogMom](#): > > Oh ho ho ho. You’re correct. And that’s been missed by _several_ people. Deliberately? > [MHaye](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10920670&postcount=1067) and [Mahaloth](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10920811&postcount=1069) most recently. > [And, apparently, Jimmy Chitwood](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10920644&postcount=1066). > > Interestingly, [Pedescribe says it’ll **unduly alter the gamestate** if he says whether or not Wolves have Farmer / Rancher alignment.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10921022&postcount=1072) > So either **Zeriel** is lying through his sharp pointy teeth and **pedescribe** refuses to answer the question because it would reveal that **Zeriel** lied, > OR > **Zeriel** is True-Blue Townsperson and **pedescribe** refuses to answer the question because it would reveal that **Zeriel** is who he says he is. **Zeriel** isn’t lying about that, at least. It was something I strongly (I thought) hinted at, and tried to get people to strongly keep it in mind as a logical possibility, without outright saying that I knew b/c I was an investigator. I was satisfied that wolves as farmers/ranchers could not be ruled out as a possibility after pedescribe’s post, but imagine my chagrin when **Zeriel** just boops along and spells it all out. The thing is, that’s no guarantee that he’s an (town-aligned) investigator. Wolves would likely be aware of their farmer/rancher status anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/166 "2009-03-12T18:56:56Z")
And I feel like an idiot for being so strongly against that being a possibility. Still–now, it boggles my mind that Werewolves are divided into Farmers & Ranchers. What’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/167 "2009-03-12T20:12:12Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > And I feel like an idiot for being so strongly against that being a possibility. Still–now, it boggles my mind that Werewolves are divided into Farmers & Ranchers. What’s the point? Probably just complicates things a little more. Maybe there’s something with the Testerizer. Plus if we Townies were playing for our sides, it means that they are, too. So it’s like the split is symmetrical. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/168 "2009-03-12T22:25:37Z")
They’re not split for the purposes of winning, I’m sure, that’s still just Wolves vs. Ranchers vs. Farmers. Wolves don’t count for the latter two since they have to be all dead for anyone else to win. It’s strictly as a disguise since the investigators would be able to sniff them out otherwise, and that would make their roles too powerful for this game. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/169 "2009-03-12T22:30:21Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10931399’]They’re not split for the purposes of winning, I’m sure, that’s still just Wolves vs. Ranchers vs. Farmers. Wolves don’t count for the latter two since they have to be all dead for anyone else to win. > It’s strictly as a disguise since the investigators would be able to sniff them out otherwise, and that would make their roles too powerful for this game. Oh, hm, yeah, you’re right. I think you’re right about the investigator thing. I wish some wolves would die and get in here. It’s sad and lonely with only dead townies. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/170 "2009-03-12T23:31:31Z")
Seriously. I’m already dying to know what’s going on over at the Supar Sekrit Werewolf Boards. I think they’re playing this very well. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/171 "2009-03-12T23:54:00Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Seriously. I’m already dying to know what’s going on over at the Supar Sekrit Werewolf Boards. I think they’re playing this very well. I hope **pedescribe** gives us all access to what was said at those boards once the game is finished. I’d love to see them cackling over all of our missteps. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/172 "2009-03-13T16:22:42Z")
Well, it’s me, the first Werewolf to go. I don’t think I’m cut out for these games, but it was fun while it lasted. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/173 "2009-03-13T16:36:34Z")
I **knew** it!! ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/174 "2009-03-13T17:08:26Z")
W00t! Finally got one! Sorry, old boy. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/175 "2009-03-13T20:52:27Z")
Ha! Score for the home team! Or some such expression of jubilation. Welcome to the graveyard **Elendil’s Heir**. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/176 "2009-03-13T21:13:57Z")
Does anyone else get the feeling that Elendil’s Heir’s “late” vote looks a little bit conveniently late? If Tel-whoever was Town, Elendil would have/should have voted for him right away. There was no reason to be late, especially with MHaye giving him a tie that he could justifiably break. By voting late, he establishes what looks like an attempt to push a last minute tie, when in reality a wolf was going down either way. But by looking like a Wolf who is trying to get Tel-who killed, he hopes to make Tel-who look like a Townie. Tel-whoever must also be a werewolf, yes? This is based solely on the last 10 posts of the Day. I haven’t been reading the whole game. What is the general feeling on Tel-whoever? People think he is scum right? Obviously, someone wants him dead since the vote was close. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/177 "2009-03-13T21:28:15Z")
Yes, **Telcontar** was the front-runner for lynching when I pulled off my smotth move. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/178 "2009-03-15T14:08:13Z")
Good try, **Elendil’s Heir** , but nyaah! Your attempt at creating a last-minute tie vote to save your furry hide rang as pure scum even to me. But I don’t blame you for trying. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/179 "2009-03-15T16:02:36Z")
Actually, it wasn’t purposeful. I had a busy morning and while working my analysis of **rexnervous** , overlooked **MHaye** ’s two-minutes-apart vote change. Whatever. My days were numbered anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/splitting-the-difference-dead-thread-for-the-split/486357/180 "2009-03-15T17:54:37Z")
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