Spoil Stephen King's Dark Tower series for me

I loved this series from start to finish. I loved the ending, which was just right and not at all a “fuck you” IMO. I even loved the false ending and “Dear Reader” letter. Here’s my take, for what it’s worth:

Roland as a character is all about the destination. He has always been. When we first meet him, he is the kind of cold-hearted son of a bitch who will let a little boy fall to his death to continue a single-minded pursuit of a goal of questionable value. He develops relationships - with Cuthbert, with Allain, with Susan Delgado, and eventually with Jake, Eddie, Susannah, and even Oy - and it’s not that he doesn’t care about them. He does, and does so more and more over time. But it’s never about them. It’s never about the interesting places he visits, or the connections he makes, the meals he eats, or the people with whom he shares those meals. It’s about the Tower. Roland’s entire existence is an inexorable march toward a destination - the Tower - and pushing toward that destination is the single most important thing.

The Horn of Eld is a good example. It wasn’t just “a horn.” It was the horn of Roland’s fathers, first off. It was also, and more importantly, the possession of his friend, Cuthbert, killed in battle. A sentimental man, a man who feels ties to those in his life that are more important to him than his destination, would have retrieved that horn from Cuthbert’s body - as a way of bringing a connection to his friend with him along the way. But the Roland we meet is not that man. He can’t stop in his relentless deathmarch toward the Tower, not even for the ten seconds it would take to pick up a horn.

I think what King wants his book to say is that this is a self-destructive and, ultimately, fruitless approach to existence. The false ending of The Dark Tower is the “real life” ending, in a sense. No one knows what’s behind that door. Behind that door even imagination is powerless. It could be heaven, or oblivion, or something that no one even has words for. But the false ending is all that we can really have, in our existences: we open the door, and what comes after is an open question.

But King knows that his reader, like Roland, is interested in the destination. We have to have somewhere to go, somewhere to end. We’re all Roland, in the end -
we keep pushing forward, fighting to get closure that doesn’t exist. As long as we are alive, we’ll never see what’s at the top of the Tower; we’ll never get everything tied up in a little bow.

I think King is trying to suggest that existence gains its meaning from the things that happen along the way - the fights and food and sex and above all human relationships - not from pursuing ultimately arbitrary goals for their own sake.

But Roland doesn’t get this. He arrives at the Tower, but alone. Without even the horn of his best friend. But he has learned his lesson - he knows that the people who have touched his life have more meaning than the Tower itself. He calls out their names as he comes. Roland gets it.

But it’s not that simple. He still has to live it out - to actually experience existence for its own sake - before he can get a look at what comes next. So he goes back. But this time, he has the horn. We know that this time through the timeline, he cared enough about his connection to Cuthbert to pause in his path toward the Tower to pick up that horn and keep it. We can intuit that this time, perhaps, he won’t let Jake fall, will value his connections to others for more than their assistance in his trip to the Tower.

In short, the best way to get where you’re going is to stop caring so much about where you’re going.

It’s a nice theme, I think, and one that the book series delivers admirably.

I loved the ending, myself, and I couldn’t think of a better way for it to end. Also, I got the impression that it wasn’t a complete reset. He starts over again, but the protections that resulted in his journey to protect the beams from falling apart was still in place.

Also, as a gunslinger, Roland was a guardian. The Tower is always going to be at risk because “things fall apart.” Just because he reaches the end of his destination doesn’t mean that everything is magically better. He went there to save the Tower, and by saving one of the beams, he did. Now he’s going to do it again and again and again, and each journey is going to be different. The Tower is infinite, why should the person who protects the tower be finite?

Hmm. Can anybody comment on how the Dark Tower series compares to Moorcock’s Eternal Champion books?

Count me in as another who loved the entire series and gives a big thumbs up for the ending.

IMO, the first book is okay, the second is pretty good, the third really picks up, and the 4th (Wizard and Glass) is one of the best books I’ve read, period. The last 3 are plot-servicable. As mentioned above, the real strength of the series (and for most of King’s work) are the characters. These are real people, with depth, and who jump off the page.

The ending. Ah, yes. As I was approaching it, I wondered how on earth he would reveal this all-powerful universe nexus (The titular Dark Tower). I was afraid it would be like the end of The Talisman, which I thought was very weak, or possibly It (a good story, but a *spider * and child sex???).

But as a read the ending, I was almost overcome. He nailed it! It was the only way the story could have ended (to my satisfaction). What else could have happened? He find a man behind the curtain? A an all-wise turtle who would impart the wisdom of the ages?

Much of King’s recent works have been mediocre at best. But I forgive him, as he seemed to have put all his effort into this wonderful fantasy adventure.

So Roland has a horn – is there a Carolingian thing going on there?

More a novella than a short story but, yes, “The Gunslinger” was published back in 1978. I read it at the time and it remains the only part of the series I’ve read.

I’ve been pissed off at Stephen King for awhile because of the ending to the series, but I have to say, reading what you all are writing here is making me possibly re-think that stance. I enjoyed books 2 and 3 the most, but I really loved the entire series, and I was DEEPLY disappointed when I read the end of book 7. I read The Waste Lands so many times, the binding fell apart, but I’ve only read The Dark Tower once. Maybe I will try it again.

Overall, the King series is better, IMPO. But then, Moorcock has always got on my nerves in everything of his I ever read. The Jerry Cornelius stories, which I read at the insistence of a friend, were particularly irritating.

Despite my resolve not to do so after how much Song of Susanah sucked, I did read the final volume over the last few days. It was surprisingly good. I didn’t like a good many things about it, but the much-hated ending actually worked for me. What really caught my interest though, was the degree of self-loathing King apparently has. He put himself into the story, it’s true, but his characters have little good to say about him.

I read here and there that this series is somehow related to The Talisman. I’ve never read the Gunslinger books, and from the discussion here I get the impression that he is using the same themes presented in The Talisman. But what I want to know is it completely different, or do we have some of the same characters (Wolf, etc.)? Or are the two just related by theme?

Due to the Dark Tower series, all of his books are related one way or the other. The threat to the Tower pretty much explains why horrible/macabre/monstrous things happen in the world (well, worlds. there are multiple dimensions). The Walking Dude from The Stand is featured, I think there’s a reference to Pennywise the Clown, there’s definitely reference to Insomnia, and the sequel to The Talisman is pretty heavily involved with the Dark Tower sage, IIRC. To name but a very few.

I found Moorcock basically unreadable, particularly the Cornelius stories. Others swear they are great, but I couldn’t finish 'em, and I rarely fail to finish books.

I’m actually re-reading myself. IIRC, Wolves of the Calla dragged like molasses in January, while the others picked up quite nicely.

Put me in the “He couldn’t have ended it any other way” camp.

Word on the street, and sort of confirmed by King, is that there is a movie in the works produced and/or directed by J.J. Abrams (of Lost fame).

Maybe you won’t have to read the books at all!

It will never be a movie. It should never be a movie.

I expect this to be a sort of a “The Little Sisters of Eluria” type of story. Something with Roland that falls into the Dark Tower timeline, but not a direct adaptation.

I’d actually be surprised if there isn’t some film adaptation of it in the next few years. Maybe not a movie. Maybe an cable television miniseries.

TLDA.

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I was considering opening up a new thread on the subject, since we’re kind of not on topic any longer. But I have a bad feeling the other Cafe goers would want to rip out their eyes after seeing a new Dark Tower thread.

If an adaptation is due, I’ll wait and see what it looks like then.

Frank Darabont is probably the only director that could pull it off.

I finally finished this damn series. I liked the ending and believe **storyteller ** gave a lovely description of the books’ theme. I would love to see a movie in a series like Lord of the Rings - all shot and released in the span of a few years instead of make one, see how it does, make another, and drag this shit out for years and years.
I hated hated hated King’s insertion of himself into the story. Someone else mentioned it, but seriously - get some freakin therapy Stephen or put it in another Misery because Roland shouldn’t have to be your psychiatrist.
Did anyone else hate how Suzanna left? I did. And what about how dying in the keystone world took you out of all the others? That was bull. And the spider. God the spider. Mordred had the potential to be so much more. But no, he was a freakin’ female black widow.
But for all my hate, I did love the series. Loved Wizard and Glass - one of my favorite books of all times. Why couldn’t Susan Delgado come back? I get Susan/ Suzanna but they are not twim. I expected to see Susan again. I also liked the little phrases that have worked their way into my head, say thankya.
I will look forward to/dread the movie.

I actually loved this series. As with my liking of Robert Jordan I can see why most here on the 'dope disagree. I found the story compelling from the first book (which I bought on a whim when he first published it…it was in a bargin bin and is now worth quite a bit). I even bought the original audio books (book 1-3) read by King…which I also enjoyed (and which are also getting rare these days).

I think some of you are mis-understanding the ending. Roland doesn’t go into the tower and everything resets back to the way it was in the first book. Roland goes into the tower and just before he enters (IIRC) the tower says something cryptic about his not having the horn, which Roland reflects would have taken him no more than a few seconds to reach down and pick up at the final battle where Cuthbert dies. Later when Roland finally gets to the top of the tower he suddenly remembers countless other times he was in the final room, and in horror remembers what’s actually behind the door. And suddenly he’s back in the desert without memory of the fact he’s been there countless times before…but WITH the horn in his possession this time. The implication is that all the OTHER times he was forced to go back it was because he forgot something, or did something wrong…and that perhaps THIS time he has the final element needed to (perhaps) finally ascend to the top of the tower and…

Well, achieve whatever that means to the user. Become Gan? Whatever. It doesn’t matter. Because each time Roland has made it to the tower he has managed to save the tower and the beams before he gets there. The final victory of getting into the top room of the tower and NOT being sent back to simply do it all again is a personal one for Roland himself.

Anyway, thats how I read it. YMMV. I think the books are well worth reading and I highly recommend them. However, my book judgement is probably not on par with those of my fellow 'dopers (and vice versa…some of the books I’ve read that were highly recommended here on the board haven’t been among my own favorites either), so take it with a grain of salt.

-XT