# spoiler question Titanic **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 25, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949 "2009-01-25T20:18:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/1 "2009-01-25T20:18:10Z")
What happens to Billy Zane character please? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/2 "2009-01-25T20:19:34Z")
He gets himself on a lifeboat and goes on with his life- Rose changes her name so that he won’t know she made it. I think. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/3 "2009-01-25T20:26:16Z")
According to Rose’s reminisces, he eventually got married to someone else, and then ate a bullet after the crash of '29. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/4 "2009-01-25T20:26:21Z")
It sinks ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/5 "2009-01-25T20:27:48Z")
Huh. all that & they let his story line dangle? thnks. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/6 "2009-01-25T20:35:49Z")
> [@wring](#): > > Huh. all that & they let his story line dangle? > thnks. They do show him looking for Rose among the survivors, at that point mostly because of the jewel though. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/7 "2009-01-25T21:13:06Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They do show him looking for Rose among the survivors, at that point mostly because of the jewel though. Yeah, he’s walking around amongst the people sitting there, and she kind of hides her face and lets him walk on by. Then the movie flashes back to the present, and she tells her listeners what happened to him. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/8 "2009-01-25T21:20:23Z")
Did anyone think he really loved her? I was struck by the scene where he gave her the necklace, and said there was nothing he would deny her, if she would only open her heart to him. Granted, he did lose his temper at breakfast, but come on…she was cavorting with a “low-life steerage passenger,” and what man wouldn’t be upset at his fiance for that? I think the movie tried to portray him as a cad, a heel, but I wonder if he didn’t truly love Rose and only turned on her when she humiliated him. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/9 "2009-01-25T21:24:59Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Did anyone think he really loved her? I was struck by the scene where he gave her the necklace, and said there was nothing he would deny her, if she would only open her heart to him. Granted, he did lose his temper at breakfast, but come on…she was cavorting with a “low-life steerage passenger,” and what man wouldn’t be upset at his fiance for that? > > I think the movie tried to portray him as a cad, a heel, but I wonder if he didn’t truly love Rose and only turned on her when she humiliated him. I’ve always thought he thought he loved her, if that counts. He loved her as he loved the Diamond…as possessions. He wanted to possess her heart as well as her body. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/10 "2009-01-25T21:31:30Z")
But it sounds like Hockley could have had his pick of any woman. I’m thinking he must have known of Rose and her mother’s destitution, unless Rose’s mother did an admirable snow job on him. Whether or not he knew all they had left was “bad debts hiding behind a good name” is not really made clear. I could see him being very self-centered and very interested in getting his own way, and Rose might have been rebelling against her future socialite life, but I think if she had humored him a bit he might have been very happy to spoil her rotten (until the crash of '29, of course), if only to prove to the world that he had the means to spoil his wife. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/11 "2009-01-25T21:31:42Z")
Slightly off topic, but did anyone else get pissed off that Rose threw that diamond into the sea? She could have given the thing to her granddaughter… the one person taking care of her wrinkled ass. But noooooooo… she “woooops” it into the ocean. Senile old bag. I was hoping for a rogue wave to flip her into the ocean. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/12 "2009-01-25T21:41:32Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > But it sounds like Hockley could have had his pick of any woman. And if he could, he wouldn’t value her. Men like that (I’m talking in storytelling, not necessarily in life) only value what they can’t have, jewels or paintings _or_ women. I don’t think we’d consider it “love” like the love Jack had for her - wanting her to be his partner in adventure and think for herself. Which, as we all know, is the Right Kind of Love in stories like this. 😉 (Now The Duke in _Moulin Rouge!_, he totally gets a bad rap. He’s possessive, sure, but half his wooing dialogue is identical to Christian’s, and what Satine says to both men about her love for them is identical. The fact that she’s good at “making men believe what they want to believe” makes one of them look like a creepy stalker dude and the other look like a romantic hero for precisely the same sentiments.) ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/13 "2009-01-25T21:42:15Z")
“I’d rather be his whore than your wife!” Damn, that’s an awesome line! ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/14 "2009-01-25T21:42:26Z")
I thought Cal (Zane) bribed one of the deck hands to get onto one of the under-filled lifeboats, then made it off before the titanic sunk. From there the lifeboat drifted apart from the main cluster and became lost at sea. They only had a few tins of sardines aboard, and most of the crew ate that, except for him. Unfortunately the tins were tainted and all the small crew died of botulism. He was adrift for days… alone… he dumped each corpse into the sea… or, at least, that’s what he said happened when he was picked up by a small sailboat, helmed by John Ingram and his wife Rae. When John left the yacht to inspect the other vessel, he learned the gruesome fact that Cal was lying all along when he discovered all the bodies there and murdered by Cal so that he could keep the food all for himself. Upon this realization, he learns that Cal has gone nuts and taken his wife hostage on their boat, leaving him stranded. Through much heroism, John eventually catches up with the psycho and in the end, Cal gets a flare in the face. Fin. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/15 "2009-01-25T21:44:17Z")
And what movie was that in? So, **WhyNot** , what you’re saying is in IRL Cal may not seem like an unreasonable human being, but in Hollywood MovieLand it’s natural for Rose to fall for the penniless Jack who promises her an uncertain future rather than Cal, who can offer her a rich and stable life? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/16 "2009-01-25T21:46:43Z")
The sequel… [Titanic 2: Dead Calm](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097162/) ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/17 "2009-01-25T21:47:55Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > The sequel… > > [Titanic 2: Dead Calm](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097162/) Damn…that one flew RIGHT over my head. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/18 "2009-01-25T21:51:52Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > So, **WhyNot** , what you’re saying is in IRL Cal may not seem like an unreasonable human being, but in Hollywood MovieLand it’s natural for Rose to fall for the penniless Jack who promises her an uncertain future rather than Cal, who can offer her a rich and stable life? I’m saying I think you give more dimensions to Cal than the writer did. I see him as a pretty simple cardboard villain as written. I would love to see a version with the nuances you see in him, though! And to be completely fair, I did see it a couple of times, like when he gave his coat to Rose. Of course, plot ensued, but there was just a moment there when it seemed like he genuinely cared for her… But absolutely, in Hollywood, she has to Grasp True Love. And that was Jack. Y’know, until he turned into a Leosicle. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/19 "2009-01-25T22:00:37Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Slightly off topic, but did anyone else get pissed off that Rose threw that diamond into the sea? Yes. I thought Rose was petulant and self-centered from beginning to end. That was just the icing on the cake. And of course Hockley shot himself after being wiped out in the crash of 1929. It’s not a happy ending until the villain gets his, even if it’s in a tacked-on epilogue total unrelated to the plot. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949/20 "2009-01-25T22:06:07Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > According to Rose’s reminisces, he eventually got married to someone else, and then ate a bullet after the crash of '29. I thought he jumped out a window. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoiler-question-titanic/482949.md?page=2)