# (Spoilers) England vs Brazil

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [June 21, 2002, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222 "2002-06-21T06:30:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/81 "2002-06-21T08:14:49Z")

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Come on lads!! I want Teddy to score. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/82 "2002-06-21T08:18:11Z")

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WTF, two yellows??? Tell me, what happened? Protests?

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**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/83 "2002-06-21T08:19:59Z")

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Irish Dopers, could we borrow Robbie Keane for the last two minutes?

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**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/84 "2002-06-21T08:21:04Z")

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Ferdinand booked for dissent, Coldie.

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**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/85 "2002-06-21T08:21:21Z")

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GODDAMN. I can’t believe we didn’t get that corner.

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**Author:** ![RaCha\_ar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@RaCha\_ar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaCha_ar)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/86 "2002-06-21T08:22:55Z")

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Is it just me, or has this been a very poorly ref’d game?

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**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/87 "2002-06-21T08:25:00Z")

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Big floppy donkey-raping arse nuggets.

Well done Brazil. Good luck for the semis.

And very poorly refereed, absolutely.

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**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/88 "2002-06-21T08:25:03Z")

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☹

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**Author:** ![Nortia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Nortia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nortia)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/89 "2002-06-21T08:25:43Z")

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**Author:** ![funkynige](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@funkynige](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/funkynige)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/90 "2002-06-21T08:25:54Z")

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bum

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**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/91 "2002-06-21T08:26:02Z")

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☹

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**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/92 "2002-06-21T08:27:04Z")

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Well, I’m off for my 2 1/2 hours of sleep before our boys’ game against Germany. Any non-UK folks (presuming the UK folks won’t want to think about football for awhile), perhaps could open a discussion thread for US/Germany in another hour or two. G’night all.

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**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/93 "2002-06-21T08:28:56Z")

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Absolutely the worst England have looked in a long time. No spark, no fire, no ideas on how to break down the defense. Just plain nothing. What a poor display on their part.

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**Author:** ![RaCha\_ar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@RaCha\_ar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaCha_ar)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/94 "2002-06-21T08:29:42Z")

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**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/95 "2002-06-21T09:42:17Z")

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DS, I hate to say it, but that is exactly how England have played in all their games.

Their success has come from their oppositions inability to effectively counter them. If the opposing team plays well, England look terrible ( Sweden in the second half for example) and if the team play poor, England look great (the entire Argentina match)

England havent shown any great imaginative play in this tournament.

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**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/96 "2002-06-21T09:43:25Z")

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Sheesh.

Could you at least wait a little to rub it in, true or not?

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**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/97 "2002-06-21T09:45:37Z")

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Anyone else want to kick us while we’re down? They didn’t play well enough to win, we all know that, but I thought the team fought bravely.

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**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/98 "2002-06-21T10:11:48Z")

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They played well in the first half. I’m not kicking them when they were down. I thought that some of the play was very well. It’s a system that will work brilliantly when the team play well.

Its unfortunate but England seemed to run out of ideas after the Sending Off. I’m sorry you were eliminated, I know what it feels like, but it dosent change the fact that England didn’t play very well for the second half of the game.

There is no shame in their attitude in the game. They played with great heart. I just felt that they were stifled when it came to creating good chances.

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**Author:** ![kase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@kase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kase)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/99 "2002-06-21T10:24:08Z")

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I take it England lost? ☹

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**Author:** ![Tansu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tansu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tansu)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-england-vs-brazil/115222/100 "2002-06-21T11:38:51Z")

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Poor David Seaman.

I went back to bed afterwards for extra sleep.

Dunno why we couldn’t quite get it together in the second half. I do know that Brazil are actually quite a lot better than us when it comes to intercepting.

Think the red card to Ronaldinho was harsh. He caught him with his studs, but there was no intent. I’ve seen far, far worse than that.

Do you think Ronaldinho was having a shot, or was he trying to drop it down to one of the players in the area, and the ball went long?

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