# SPOILERS for Captain America **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 7, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945 "2007-03-07T14:10:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/1 "2007-03-07T14:10:10Z")
[http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking\_news/16849577.htm](http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/16849577.htm) Looks like it’s taps for Cap…at least temporarily. This IS Marvel we’re talking about, after all… ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/2 "2007-03-07T16:52:33Z")
It just made the Yahoo homepage, so I doubt the “secret” will be much of one anymore. At least he’s getting his own stamp this year. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/3 "2007-03-07T17:07:30Z")
Given the fact that he was in jail and about to be tried for his part in the Civil War, it’s probably a scheme to get him free and change his identity yet again. Or if it’s not now, it will be eventually, when some writer decides he wants to resurrect him. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/4 "2007-03-07T17:23:10Z")
Is any one still “reeling” from Superman getting killed off fifteen years ago? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/5 "2007-03-07T17:27:47Z")
He’ll be back. Until he returns, I’ll keep putting his stamp on the little mail I still send out (after the stamp is released, of course. Right now I’m working through the DC stamps. My truck registration got sent out with a Plastic Man stamp on it.) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/6 "2007-03-07T17:42:22Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Is any one still “reeling” from Superman getting killed off fifteen years ago? [/QUOTE] I wear my commemorative black armband that was enclosed in the polybag on a daily basis. > [@silenus](#): > > Right now I’m working through the DC stamps. My truck registration got sent out with a Plastic Man stamp on it. I’m still working through the sheet of Judy Garlands a friend gave me last year. By the time I get to the DC stamps the postage rates will have gone up. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/7 "2007-03-07T17:47:18Z")
I’m not the type to say stuff like this, but Marvel’s treatment of the good Captain has been downright… unamerican. I mean, the guy punched Hitler in the face, and then you lecture him on not having a MySpace page? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/8 "2007-03-07T18:44:07Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] I’m not the type to say stuff like this, but Marvel’s treatment of the good Captain has been downright… unamerican. I mean, the guy punched Hitler in the face, and then you lecture him on not having a MySpace page? [/QUOTE] I have my own political views, and they are different than those of the current writers of Captain America and the Avengers, but I wouldn’t want Cap spouting those views either. So I gotta say I am fairly sick of various writers using the character as a sock puppet for their pet political philosophies. It ain’t new, either…it started in the late 70s. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/9 "2007-03-07T18:54:08Z")
I agree. Keep real world politics out of my fantasy worlds. They can put in all the fantasy politics they want and that’ll be fine by me. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/10 "2007-03-07T19:01:11Z")
For months Quesada and Millar and the whole lot of them have been telling us that Civil War wasn’t supposed to be an analogue to anything going on today, that we’re reading our own politics in it, that it’s about the Marvel Universe and nothing in ours…Quesada seemed to get real defensive about that a couple of times in his Newsarama Q&As. First thing I see in [CNN.com](http://CNN.com)’s article, via [Newsarama](http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/Cap25.html)? > [@](#): > > Marvel says the comic story line was intentionally written as an allegory to current real-life issues like the Patriot Act, the War on Terror and the September 11 attacks. Aigh. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/11 "2007-03-07T20:15:15Z")
[Eric Burns is completely losing his shit over this.](http://www.websnark.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/12 "2007-03-07T22:29:09Z")
[QUOTE=RikWriter] I have my own political views, and they are different than those of the current writers of Captain America and the Avengers, but I wouldn’t want Cap spouting those views either. So I gotta say I am fairly sick of various writers using the character as a sock puppet for their pet political philosophies. It ain’t new, either…it started in the late 70s. [/QUOTE] I think you can have Cap stand for a more-or-less politically neutral “American dream”. Mom, apple pies, baseball, democracy, that sort of thing. [This is what I want.](http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=3242303&postcount=450) [Here’s what they’re selling me.](http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/2007/02/marvel-comics-in-insulting-readers.html) I think we can have stuff like the former without getting into “But about the \*Black \*man, Mr. Green Lantern” territory. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/13 "2007-03-07T22:41:12Z")
Eh, I like this [version](http://mightygodking.livejournal.com/tag/photoshopped+crap) of Civil War much better. It’s got some naughty words, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/14 "2007-03-07T23:40:25Z")
Well, I stopped reading Marvel on a regular basis a couple of decades ago. This soap-opera/civil war cr%p is why. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/15 "2007-03-08T00:18:56Z")
Who cares about Civil War? The issue was good. I’m happy that this wasn’t in the main Civil War series and was handled by a good writer. Captain America the title has been strong ever since Brubaker took over and I’ll continue to follow it. I don’t think for a second that he’s actually dead though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/16 "2007-03-08T00:50:46Z")
I think someone should organize a pool for when (not if) he’s resurected. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/17 "2007-03-08T00:59:55Z")
My money is on the “faked death so he could re-discover America (again (again))” plot twist. I’ve never been a fan of Captain America but his fans definitely have something to grumble about with his recent portrayals. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/18 "2007-03-08T01:04:27Z")
[QUOTE=N9IWP] I think someone should organize a pool for when (not if) he’s resurected. [/QUOTE] Put me down for July 2008 as the official resurrection, but he’ll be wandering the Marvel Universe in another identity well before that. Probably starting in the next month or so with the idea that we’ll all be “shocked” when the character is revealed to be Cap. The new Ronin is probably going to be a red herring, though. He’ll be set up so that we’re supposed to think that he’s Cap, but will turn out to be someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/19 "2007-03-08T01:32:20Z")
Well, considering the whole series, I think I got the best ending I could expect…the quote-unquote “bad guys” won, and I’m supposed to feel bad about it, but I’m secretly doing the Snoopy dance. “Trading Freedom for Security”…yeah, that’s awful. The People wanted security over the Freedom for untrained, unsupervised, unaccountable superbeings to run around and blow the hell out of each other at will. Often in populated areas. (I kinda gave up after they compared the Pro-Reg _Daily Bugle_ to Fox News. Yeah, being against the idea of letting vigilantes run free in the streets. Really a classically right-wing position, there. Maybe the difference is that most of them don’t use eeeevil firearms. :rolleyes: ) ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945/20 "2007-03-08T02:01:27Z")
I got interviewed by the local news about this and it just aired. I was in the comic shop today and the owner came up to me and said, Hey [Cisco], I got a news guy coming here in about an hour to do a piece on the death of Cap and I want him to get a young good-looking guy and not one of the many weirdos wandering around here - will you do it? So I went and did some errands and came back in about an hour and they interviewed me. It was really neat and spontaneous - the guy asked a lot more questions than I expected and I had to keep winging the answers as I’m not even a Captain America fan; I was in there to get the latest issue of Planet Hulk :D. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spoilers-for-captain-america/394945.md?page=2)