# Spongemom - cooling **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269 "2005-07-13T01:15:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/221 "2005-07-13T23:43:38Z")
Beryl? Is that you? Or just your twin in obsfucation? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/222 "2005-07-14T00:11:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > **alice** : were any of the removed posts the center of a controversy _on the dope_ when the poster asked them to be removed? Hummm - probably not. But the **SM** thread isn’t currently a controversy either - is it? I think we all agree that we’re not going to hire **SM** as a cat sitter, but that’s about it, currently. Right? All I know, speaking from personal experience here, is that it’s very disquieting when some shit-stain decides to attack you off board for a post you’ve made here. I think it must be much worse if they actually threaten you. If someone posts crap, I’m all for calling them on it, on the board. But hacking their site - even if they did have it linked in their sig - is still totally obnoxious. Hell, I have my e-mail address in my profile but I don’t think that means that I deserve harassing e-mails. I just think a lot of grief could have been avoided if the mods/admins had extended to **SM** the same courtesy as they’ve extended to other posters in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/223 "2005-07-14T00:32:15Z")
**alice** : I’m not saying she deserved what happened to her own website. But she does deserve to be held responsible for her actions on _this_ website, and that means that what she says here, stays here. It’s too bad that someone threatened her, and I hope she finds out who did it and reports him to the proper authorities, but none of what happened is the fault or the responsibility of the SDMB. And you’re dead wrong to say that any of this would have been avoided if the mods had extended her “the same courtesy,” as the grief had already occured before she made her demand. Whoever hacked her site already knew about her cats, and board, and where to find her. What would be the point of deleting the thread now? Except, of course, to cause even more outrage on this board as posters would (inevitably) demand to know why the mods were covering up for her, and why they weren’t granted the same courtesy when they posted something stupid and inflammatory. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/224 "2005-07-14T00:42:06Z")
Well you’re right, there’s no point in deleting it now. The damage is done. I just think this is another example of something that could have been handled better. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/225 "2005-07-14T00:44:07Z")
[Why involve the Dope at all?](http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/cyberhome.htm) ---
**Author:** ![galt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@galt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galt)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/226 "2005-07-14T00:45:23Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > There’s only one reasonable way to take this statement, given that is is clearly cribbed from the old adage “there are lies, damn lies, and statistics,” with the last item obviously seen to be more contemptuous than the others. Well, if she’s not lying about her intention with the sig, I guess we’re forced to conclude that she’s so goddamn stupid she completely missed the point of a famous quote. She must have thought, “yeah, that’s right…on one hand, you’ve got lies and damn lies, and on the other hand, you have hard, factual **statistics** that represent truth!” I also wanted to add: **Spongemom** , you’re definitely welcome here, in my opinion. In that other thread, I thought you were being stupid by blaming your neighbors for your troubles and failing to accept any of the blame yourself, but calling you a cat-killer was way overboard. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/227 "2005-07-14T00:46:21Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Well you’re right, there’s no point in deleting it now. The damage is done. I just think this is another example of something that could have been handled better. Do you mean before or after someone hacked her site? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/228 "2005-07-14T00:49:57Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Well you’re right, there’s no point in deleting it now. The damage is done. I just think this is another example of something that could have been handled better. But how? The link in another Doper’s post to her profile at the other forum was removed as soon as a mod spotted it, and the person who’d posted it was told flat-out not to stir up off-board trouble. If the link to **Spongemom’s** other board was in fact in her sig, her sig was deleted from her posts in the original Pit thread. It’s my understanding that only the Doper whose profile it is can change the information in his/her profile, so any link to another forum there would have to be deleted by **Spongemom**. So, what exactly could have been done to handle it in a way that prevented any off-board attack on her? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/229 "2005-07-14T01:42:54Z")
Well, totally pulling this out of my ass, you understand… my understanding of the chronology is this: 1. Cat thread posted, melt down, lock. 2. **SM** received threats via e-mail and/or site hacking - requests original thread be removed. 3. Thread not removed - brought up a week later - fearing more hacking/threats, possibly having received another nasty e-mail, **SM** publicly requests thread be removed. 4. Thread not removed, mod dismissive of **SM** ’s concerns, **SM** has meltdown, gets suspended for a week. 5. Thread still not removed, brought up again a week later, intimitations are made that thread will now become part of the SDMB lexicon and be linked to and refered to anytime a thread is not going as OP wanted or intended. I suppose the first time she was targeted, and brought it to the attention of the mods/admins perhaps the thread should have been removed. I mean, if I post something stupid, and people call me an ass, goat-flecher, etc here on the board, that’s one thing, and I should take my lumps because I deserve them - however, when some loony, quoting the SMDB threatens me and takes the time to hack my unrelated website, maybe I think the mods/admins should do _ANYTHING_ more than saying tough shit. Obviously, YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/230 "2005-07-14T01:52:10Z")
Yeah, my M definitly Vs. There are hundreds of threads here that have gone just as badly for the OP, or worse. How many have resulted in threats and hacking? It’s a very unusual situation. The odds of it happening once are pretty long. The odds of it happening twice from the same thread are astronomical. Deleting the thread wouldn’t have done anything to help out **Spongemom** ’s situation except remove evidence that she’d ever posted something stupid and inflammatory on the boards. The only thing it might have prevented was her meltdown and suspension, but again, that’s on **Spongemom** for not being able to handle a bad situation, not on the mods for mishandling it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/231 "2005-07-14T02:07:05Z")
From post #70 > [@Mynn](#): > > I was informed by a non admin-mod that it was opened so people could piss all over spongemom again. Really? And which Mod would that be? And what is it that they said? SpongeMom has been welcomed back. Perhaps she has learned something, perhaps not. Perhaps everyone else is wrong. You opened up an old wound. And It took 3 pages to find out what the hell you where picking at. In that time, you drew great attention to something that can’t be changed, and to something that I’m sure SM would like to forget. Please, think about what you are going to post. And then, form your thoughts into words. Read your words. Read them again. Then, get rid of your thoughts and see if your words convey what you are trying to say. ---
**Author:** ![35340](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/8baadc/32.png) [@35340](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/35340)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/232 "2005-07-14T02:23:55Z")
blah blah blah blah blah wouldn’t have been funny or pit-material if I’d written it properly the first time. Right? Got it. Suurre. That was my intent _all along_ Mwayayayahahahahahh! I meant for it to get dragged into the pit ALLL ALONG! _rubs hands gleefully while rolling eyes_ There are only so many ways I can admit I posted badly and potentially made it worse than it was. Ways there only so many of which to admit can I that badly post I do and make things worse thereby, mayhaps. Bad post I? Maybe, no. Maybe, yes. Try Bud Dry. Look, I posted live as it happend and as it was pulled out of my brain through the course of this post. And you people have to decide on what time frame I’m being pitted on - either it’s an old wound that should never have been reopend (though another poster was the reason, from what I can see, that **SM** came back to mention it should be frikken removed), or it’s something that just happened last week and here I am dregging it up again. As I’d read it, there was a post that melted **in May** , **SM** took some shit. Peeps went off this board to bug harass threaten etc. She took off all links to her site, links to her site made by others here were removed by the mods. The text of the thread was still there. When the thread of doom was referenced again in **July** , the cycle started over again, based on the text of the thread not deleted, **SM** voiced her concerns, and was not only shut down in her request but given a time out. No, no magical being on earth could have prevented the original shit fest. One move to never ever land of the thread that gets linked and referenced will at least keep from popping up again and again with fresh rabid weevils, any time anyone wants to reference it. It’s listed in general euphamistic phrases, and large portions of text aren’t (as I gathered from what I read) smeared all over her site by anonymous members of the brain transplant wait list. **enipla** - standard member of the board, one who is not an admin, mod, SSDAB, or banana peel. And bite me. In regards to my expressed profession: Prolific writer I am, not a very good one, though - that might explain the stalled promotions train back at ye old shop of international arms dealering. Now I’m more focused on making freelance writing work. And the sig: Yeah, likely I was that ‘stupid’ to get the quote wrong, or I maybe I did work off of the original quote and thought that _There are two kinds of fools: fools, damn fools, and the teeming millions_ didn’t work. I don’t know. I don’t remember back that far - and it would be pretty lame of me to lie about being that ‘stupid’. I **do** recall the intent - because in adding it I deleted the line about “The SDMB I would have paid $7 bucks a month to join is no longer worth the $7 bucks a year I paid” or something that someone said in what is likely a thread that is no more as it pertains to **TD**. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/233 "2005-07-14T02:39:17Z")
Holy shit – she’s **Scott Plaid** in drag! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/234 "2005-07-14T02:39:50Z")
> [@](#): > > enipla - standard member of the board, one who is not an admin, mod, SSDAB, or banana peel. And bite me. So basically some shithead who just wanted to stir up trouble on his or her own? And you’re taking their word over the staff WHY? ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/235 "2005-07-14T02:41:52Z")
**Mynn** I’m hearing you, I get where you’re coming from. Dunno how I am suddenly gifted to understand what mystifies others, but I’m not jumping on you for how you’re writing or anything. Just wanted to make that clear. As for policy making, I see a huge difference between **TD** and **SM** ’s situations. You see more similarities, so be it. If my neighbors find out I’m a blatant and outspoken racist at work, guess what? I have to deal with those consequences. **SM** provided ways for people to track her down, not the mods. She obviously didn’t anticipate that rant going the way it did, but that’s life. Because some rabid goat-felchers followed _her_ directions to flame her on _her_ site because of things _she_ said…well, that’s really stupid and petty of them. The only way the goat-felchers could possibly make IRL threats is if _she_ supplied IRL details somewhere. However, it has fuck-all to do with the mods here, and fuck-all to do with **TD** ’s situation. This was a pit thread gone backasswards from what the OP intended, not the first one and certainly not the last. That pitizens reference it is not some huge trauma, nor should the mods step in and disappear it because someone might reference it. Read the pit rules, were any broken? _on preview_ Guin, she was simply explaining how this situation was brought to her attention in the first place, since someone asked why she had gotten upset over it now. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/236 "2005-07-14T02:51:54Z")
No, I was referring to her saying, “Well, the mods opened it just so more people can piss all over **Spongemom**!” How the HELL does she know that was the reason, other than some idiot told her so? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/237 "2005-07-14T02:52:07Z")
> [@Mynn](#): > > Bad post I? Maybe, no. Maybe, yes. Try Bud Dry. One hundred years from now this quotation will be as famous as “Lies, damn lies, and statistics.” > [@Mynn](#): > > In regards to my expressed profession: > > Prolific writer I am, not a very good one, though - that might explain the stalled promotions train back at ye old shop of international arms dealering. > > Now I’m more focused on making freelance writing work. Ah, freelance. Now the pieces are falling into place. I’m a writer too, then. Would anyone like to hire me for some freelance work? I can give you 1,792 examples of my work. Wait, 1793 examples. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/238 "2005-07-14T02:52:28Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I’ve often heard it attributed to Benjamin Disraeli. A quick google says (among other theories) that Mark Twain used the quote and attributed it to Disraeli. Twain attributed it incorrectly to Disraeli. It’s still not clear who said it before Twain. It certainly was out there in similar forms before he said it. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/239 "2005-07-14T02:59:05Z")
> [@Mynn](#): > > **enipla** - standard member of the board, one who is not an admin, mod, SSDAB, or banana peel. And bite me. \*‘Standard member’\*\*? For DOPERS? Underwear check, folks. Vicious fascists couldn’t make up this stuff. Veb \*That’s your translation for ‘non admin-mod’? Animal, vegetable, mineral, Jack Chick, navel lint, sounds like, bigger than a bread box… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269/240 "2005-07-14T03:01:59Z")
Whassamatta, **Veb** – those new jackboots pinching your little piggies? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spongemom-cooling/312269.md?page=13)