# Sports/athletics with twists and flips

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [February 10, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931 "2014-02-10T00:01:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/1 "2014-02-10T00:01:57Z")

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A variety of different sports and athletic pursuits involve people spinning/twisting/flipping in the air. Off the top of my head:  
-gymnastics  
-diving  
-figure skating  
-trapeze  
-freestyle ski jumping  
-various skateboarding disciplines (such as halfpipe)  
-various rollerblade disciplines  
-various snowboarding disciplines (at least including halfpipe and slopestyle)  
-trampoline

I’m sure I’m missing one or two.

Does anyone know in which context the most spins/flips/twists happen? To the extent that I watch any of these events, it seems like a lot of them cap out somewhere slightly more than three spins/flips. In figure skating, a triple is a very good jump, a quad is rare, I’ve never heard of a quint. In various of the “extreme” sports, you hear a lot about 720s or even 1080s (1080 being 3 full rotations), and sometimes 1260, but again, things seem to max out between 3 and 4 spins. Of course some of them mix in rotations around more than one axis…

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**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/2 "2014-02-10T00:30:38Z")

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BMX freestyle  
Judo & other martial arts  
Pro Wrestling  
UFC

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**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/3 "2014-02-10T02:14:36Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> Does anyone know in which context the most spins/flips/twists happen?

Free fall parachuting.

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**Author:** ![Wallaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/dc4da7/32.png) [@Wallaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallaby)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/4 "2014-02-10T03:34:31Z")

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As an interesting sidenote, one sport in which flips are banned is Long Jump.

When you take off from the board in a long jump, your natural body action is to rotate forward. As a result, several techniques have been developed to prevent over-rotation - hitch-kicks (the ‘running in mid-air’ some jumpers use) and the ‘hang’ variations.

Some athletes (certainly in the 70s but some probably tried it earlier) decided to just ‘go with the flow’ - and complete a full forward flip in mid-air before landing. Some studies have suggested that if world-class athletes adopted this, it would almost certainly result in a longer jump than is produced with the anti-rotation techniques.

So why is it banned? Well, if long jump consisted of running at your top speed and forward flipping into a sandpit off one foot, and EVERBODY was doing it - there would quickly be several deaths and paralysis injuries, before the entire sport was banned.

If you youtube, you’ll find a few examples.

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/5 "2014-02-10T03:39:49Z")

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Don’t forget [baseball](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQT_z1OoEI).

No,[really](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMEr_SJLdi0)!

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**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/6 "2014-02-10T16:39:42Z")

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> [@penultima\_thule](#):
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> Free fall parachuting.

OK, that’s almost certainly true, but a bit of a cheat.

Does anyone know the answer to my question? In what event if any do people do quintuple flips or spins?

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**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/7 "2014-02-10T16:50:55Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> OK, that’s almost certainly true, but a bit of a cheat.
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> Does anyone know the answer to my question? In what event if any do people do quintuple flips or spins?

In diving, [high degrees of difficulty](http://www.fina.org/project/docs/rules/rules_dA2.pdf) have as many as 4 1/2 somersaults, or 2 1/2 somersaults combined with 3 twists.

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**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-athletics-with-twists-and-flips/680931/8 "2014-02-11T03:58:42Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> OK, that’s almost certainly true, but a bit of a cheat.
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> Does anyone know the answer to my question? In what event if any do people do quintuple flips or spins?

U.S. Olympic ski halfpiper [Torin Yater-Wallace](http://xgames.espn.go.com/skiing/article/7652671/torin-yater-wallace-does-switch-1800-us-grand-prix) did a quintuple spin at the end of a slopestyle course a couple of years ago – at age 16. I couldn’t find another example of it being done, though, so that might not qualify as “people” doing 1800s.
