# Sports gambling promotions question **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 23, 2024, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543 "2024-01-23T14:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/41 "2024-01-25T16:17:23Z")
Good luck and keep us posted. When are the games? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/42 "2024-01-25T17:36:26Z")
Thanks, but I don’t need luck, I’m using math! All the games are tonight. It looks like you can only bet on today’s games in hockey & basketball. Also, I did see that you can’t put both sides of the same game in your betting slip, even if you’re using real money and it’s a guaranteed profit for the gambling site. Both fanduel & mgm prevented you from doing so. This applied in both points & over/under bets. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/43 "2024-01-25T17:45:44Z")
They’re doing that to prevent your specific fuckery but you’re next level! ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/44 "2024-01-25T19:31:33Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > > [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > > > You make it sound like DK didn’t market its 2022 one. On the contrary - the first commercial supporting the measure that switched from “It will create income/jobs for the tribes” to, “It’s legalized online betting!” aired less than 15 minutes into Fox’s first NFL pregame show this season. The problem was, and almost certainly will be next time, for every one of those ads, there were two or three of some combination of, “You can’t prevent your kids from betting online!” and “DraftKings and FanDuel will pocket pretty much all of the money and keep it out of California.” I hadn’t seen such an organized anti-gambling effort since the state tried to legalize dog racing. > > I’ll take your word for it. I don’t watch very much sports. Why then would they drop tens of millions for a lost cause? They actually pulled way back on the ads when it became apparent that their ballot measure was not going to pass. (Remember, there were two ballot measures that would have allowed for sports betting, but only one allowed for outside interests like DraftKings and FanDuel to handle the online betting. I think the other one would have required the bettors to go to the casinos or any of the state’s four (soon to be three, as Golden Gate Fields is closing by the end of 2024) major horse racing tracks.) Of the two petitions I mentioned earlier, one would ban outside companies like DraftKings from operating online sports betting, and the other would leave the details up to the state legislature and the Governor. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/45 "2024-01-25T19:39:04Z")
The other one was Indian casinos (and may have included horse race tracks). Whichever one got a higher percentage would have been the sole winner if it exceeded 50% but as you said neither did. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/46 "2024-01-25T20:30:28Z")
I was comparing it to Railer13’s observation above, where he was able to place bets on both sides of an over/under. And I tried it before I had gotten the bonus bets, so it was blocking it even when it was a guaranteed profit for them. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/47 "2024-01-25T20:46:23Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I was comparing it to Railer13’s observation above, where he was able to place bets on both sides of an over/under. Keep in mind that I had four different two-leg parlay bets, and they were four separate bets. I put the first two legs (favorite to cover, over) in my bet slip and made the parlay bet. Then I put the next two legs (underdog to cover, over) in my bet slip and made that parlay bet. The I bet the next two legs (favorite to cover, under) and then the next two legs (underdog to cover, under). It was four different bets. Just for grins, a few minutes ago on Draft Kings, I placed a 10 cent bet on the Lions to cover +7.5. Once that bet was accepted, I placed a 10 cent bet on the 49ers to cover -7.5. I had no problems placing that bet. So it appears that while the book won’t allow you to bet both sides a proposition in the same bet, it will allow you to make those bets individually. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/48 "2024-01-25T22:30:51Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > The other one was Indian casinos (and may have included horse race tracks). Whichever one got a higher percentage would have been the sole winner if it exceeded 50% but as you said neither did. That may not be entirely true. I think the online betting one was written in such a way that it didn’t conflict with anything in the other one. It is only when conflicting items pass that the “go with the one that got more votes” rule applies in California. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/49 "2024-01-25T22:49:51Z")
Back in post 15(?) you said: > [@Railer13](#): > > If I bet 10 bucks on the over on the Chiefs/Ravens game, the payout is $19.09 > If I bet 10 bucks on the under on the same game, the payout is again $19.09 > > So I’m going to bet 20 bucks with a guaranteed win of $19.09. But that’s also a guaranteed loss of 91 cents, which goes to the casino. > > I just went to one of my betting sites and put both of the above bets into my betting slip. I didn’t actually place the bet, but the button was ready for me to push. I thought you meant you were able to put both sides of the over/under into your betting slip at the same time, not that you placed one bet, then went back and placed the other one. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/50 "2024-01-25T23:25:19Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > That may not be entirely true. I think the online betting one was written in such a way that it didn’t conflict with anything in the other one. It is only when conflicting items pass that the “go with the one that got more votes” rule applies in California. The analysis from the time mostly supports you but supposes that there would have been litigation to figure that out if both passed. The Indian and racetrack proposal was very against the other guys. > **[California sports betting: What's the difference between Prop 26 and Prop 27?](https://abc30.com/amp/california-sports-betting-prop-26-27-legalized-gambling/12346713/)** > > Prop 26 and Prop 27 are on the November ballot and both would legalize sports betting in California, but in different ways. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/51 "2024-01-25T23:34:35Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I thought you meant you were able to put both sides of the over/under into your betting slip at the same time, not that you placed one bet, then went back and placed the other one Sorry, I misread your earlier post. Yes, I can place bets on both sides of the over/under on Draft Kings. But, I cannot, as you discovered, do the same on FanDuel. I can, however, make the bet on ESPNBet. I also can make the bet on BetMGM. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/52 "2024-01-26T14:31:11Z")
So my plan worked mostly as expected. Every bet I lost on one site I won on the other. Since the bets weren’t at even odds, I wound up with a net profit of $138. I’ve requested withdrawals from both accts, once the money gets to venmo & then to my bank account I’ll close both accts as well. (ETA removed problem with withdrawals, it was my mistake (and poor webpage design IMHO)). ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/53 "2024-01-26T14:36:51Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I wound up with a net profit of $138. Free money! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/54 "2024-01-26T15:11:03Z")
Definitely. Now to see if I can convince/assist my wife & kids to do the same. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/55 "2024-01-26T15:36:01Z")
Very very well done. Saving this in case California legalizes. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/56 "2024-01-26T18:16:25Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Now to see if I can convince/assist my wife & kids to do the same. Don’t know if they still do, but some of those sites would give you more free bets if you refer other folks to sign up. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543/57 "2024-01-31T14:05:21Z")
For completeness sake - the money did get venmo’d to me from both sites in short order, and I closed my accounts with zero difficulty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sports-gambling-promotions-question/996543.md?page=2)