And you can’t have a defensive pass interference call if the ball is not catchable.
Absolutely so – but what @Chronos seemed to be asking about (but maybe I’m mistaken) was whether a (legal) throw-away incomplete pass was treated any differently, statistics-wise, from a pass that was dropped by a receiver.
A ball thrown out of bounds (to avoid a sack) is counted as an incompletion, as is a spike to stop the clock. So, in both cases, counted the same as a ball thrown to a receiver that isn’t caught.
Yes, it was intentional grounding that I was referring to-- I just couldn’t remember the name.
And a Victory Formation kneel down is usually a -1 yard run.
-2 yards I believe. I once lost at fantasy football due to that fact. QB was just over a rushing threshold that got me points in that league. Either 2 or 3 kneel downs (can’t remember which) to end the game took him below it and I lost by 1 point.
Here’s the Super Bowl LV play-by-play. The last three plays are:
1st & 10 at TB 20
(1:33 - 4th) T.Brady kneels to TB 19 for -1 yards.
2nd & 11 at TB 19
(0:50 - 4th) T.Brady kneels to TB 19 for no gain.
3rd & 11 at TB 19
(0:30 - 4th) T.Brady kneels to TB 18 for -1 yards.
So it depends on the actual spot of the ball.
A football stat that I think would be meaningful is on an offensive holding call, the player who was held. A defensive linesman whose play “forces” the offensive linesman to hold him should be credited.
In cricket any [extras](Extra (cricket) - Wikipedia) incurred by the fielding (by perhaps bowling wides or byes etc.) are counted as part of the batting team total but are not part of the individual batsman’s statistics and are part of the bowlers figures.
Make of that what you will
I’m by no means a cricket expert, but I thought LBW would be the salient cricket example. My understanding is the umpire must assess where the ball would have gone had the leg not gotten in the way. And the result being “out” or “not out” being a huge deal.
Nice. I think even par “difficulty” varies from course to course and tournament to tournament, with the U.S. Open being notably harsh with the par settings. Since it’s every player for themself the commentators try to compare the players against each other, which I think truly represents what “should” happen in a game because the official par is subjective and doesn’t adjust for intangibles like weather.
I think there’s three categories.
One is where the actual game outcome is changed to reflect what would have happened without a foul or violation. Examples are baseball runner interference, basketball goaltending, the hockey open-net foul, and races where a participant is DQ’d, thereby moving everyone else up. I suppose a league vacating wins because of a team’s violation also falls in here.
Second is official stats that don’t change the game but give credit (or debit) to a player contrary to actual results. AFAIK, the only official stats that do this are baseball’s errors and ERA and to some degree basketball and hockey’s assists (where the scorer might decide to not award an assist if they thought the pass didn’t really help in scoring).
Then there are tons of unofficial stats that try to do this – in fact, that’s one of the main goals of modern sports statistics, to try and separate actual outcomes from player skill. Some of these are based on official statistics (ERA+, etc), some on objective facts but not official or only quasi-official stats (expected goals, etc. which are objective but based on where the shot was taken, which isn’t a formal stat), and some that are subjective (e.g. a football analyst might go through a game tape and assign incomplete passes to ‘receiver drop, poor throw, intentional incomplete, or defensed’ and then come up with QB and receiver ratings based on that).
In poker, you can make a perfect play, and still get outdrawn.
You can make a crappy play, and still win.
I see that as somewhat analogous. The better player doesn’t win every hand, but they are still the better player.
No.
Wides and no balls count against the bowler’s figures.
Byes and leg byes do not.
It is correct that all sundries count to the batting total but not to individual batsmen.
True, to be honest I was trying to keep it as simple as possible for those not familiar with the game. I should’ve known better.
And in basketball if you score in your own basket it is credited to the opposing player closest to the shooter.
If your friend is on the other team I guess you could use this to bolster their stats.
The game doesn’t grade you that way, though. Poker is an extreme example of a game that only grades you according to what actually did happen.
I’m pretty sure that is not true of assists in hockey. The goal is awarded to the last offensive player to touch the puck and assists to the previous two offensive players to touch it (provided not controlled by the defense in between). Goalies can get a assist for making a save, if someone picks up the puck skates down the ice and scores.
Not according to amateurs ranting over the bad beat that happened to them. 