# Spot the Actual Hatred Challenge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009 "2022-09-22T02:05:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/181 "2022-09-30T16:45:08Z")
You win. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/182 "2022-09-30T16:46:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The only point I proved is you can’t read. There is a vast chasm between the language that extols virtue used to manipulate rubes and virtue. And yet you persist in deliberately conflating the two. Why is that? > [@octopus](#): > > I thought Nazi meant anyone to the left of Lenin. Have you considered reading a history book? > [@octopus](#): > > Like folks here who thought Bush and practically every other Republican were literal incarnations of Hitler. Oh, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone thinking that Bush and practically every other Republican are **literal** incarnations of Hitler, you big exaggerator, you. But it is true that many, many people see many close parallels between what the American right-wing have been doing and saying in recent years and the rise of fascism in Germany in the 1930s. Indeed, some of the people making that observation are Holocaust scholars who have actually _written_ history books. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/183 "2022-09-30T16:48:07Z")
Not surprising to see you, once again, respond to the sniping and ignore the more substantive disagreements. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/184 "2022-09-30T16:48:25Z")
As I’ve said often, my mom’s friend Helga (may her memory be for a blessing) said loudly that the rise of Trump reminded her of Hitler’s rise to power. Helga was a Holocaust survivor and had the tattoo to prove it. So when she said somebody reminded her of Hitler, I paid attention and was afraid. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/185 "2022-09-30T16:49:49Z")
I’m shocked, shocked! Anyway, just so this doesn’t become another **octopus** shit show (partially my fault, I know), let’s go back to the subject of this thread. The actual hatred is with the OP of this thread, as @Aspidistra is a hateful bigot when it comes to the trans community. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/186 "2022-09-30T16:52:29Z")
Trolls gotta troll. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/187 "2022-09-30T17:49:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Your plan is to have a third “separate but equal” bathroom […] I don’t understand “separate but equal” in this context. What is separate from what and what is equal to what? Is it like Jim Crow restrooms but men segregated from women instead of black segregated from white? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/188 "2022-09-30T18:22:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Like folks here who thought Bush and practically every other Republican were literal incarnations of Hitler. Who, precisely, are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/189 "2022-09-30T18:25:01Z")
Y’know, the (waves hand) _hive mind_. The (flutters significantly) _usual suspects_. I have here in my hand a list of 205. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/190 "2022-09-30T21:16:00Z")
No, I just don’t think “gender identities” are a thing. At all. Your body has a sex, your mind has a personality. You can’t “feel like” another person - any other person - because the only person you know the feelings of is you, yourself. One person. You are simply redefining the word “hatred” to mean “disagrees with my framing of the world in any way”. Well, I do. Also, I think pediatric gender medicine is woo. And damaging to kids in the vast majority (quite possibly all, ultimately) of cases. At absolute best, unnecessary. So of course I oppose its existence. That might be bad if I’m wrong (which I’m not) but it’s still not hatred. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/191 "2022-09-30T22:00:40Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > Your plan is to have a third “separate but equal” bathroom […] > > I don’t understand “separate but equal” in this context. What is separate from what and what is equal to what? Is it like Jim Crow restrooms but men segregated from women instead of black segregated from white? It was part of the comparison to racial segregation. The reality is that when white people were able to send black people to separate facilities, whether it was rest rooms, drinking fountains, or public schools, the facilities designated for black use were not as good as the facilities designated for white use. I assume the same reality would occur if conservatives were able to restrict trans people to separate rest rooms; those designated for use by trans people would be substandard. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/192 "2022-09-30T22:01:16Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > You can’t “feel like” another person - any other person - because the only person you know the feelings of is you, yourself. There is a demonstrable physical difference between the brain of a cis or trans man, and a cis or trans woman, as shown in these studies (among others). > **[A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7477289/)** > > Transsexuals have the strong feeling, often from childhood onwards, of having been born the wrong sex. The possible psychogenic or biological aetiology of transsexuality has been the subject of debate for many years. Here we show that the volume of... > **[Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus -...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10843193/)** > > Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference... Those are just a couple studies. Science has found that it’s not genitalia, but rather the brain itself that influences what gender you feel inclined toward. (And it’s not completely dimorphic either, humans aren’t always as simple as male/female.) But the point is, this isn’t just an issue of psychology, it’s an issue of neurology. The differences have been observed empirically, it’s not just a matter of people telling you how they feel. Ignorance of science frequently causes people to believe that gender identity isn’t real, that your sex as assigned at birth is all that’s real. But that’s factually incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/193 "2022-09-30T22:03:52Z")
Atamasama is right. The brain is complex. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/194 "2022-09-30T22:17:04Z")
They don’t use brain scan results to determine which kids they give cross-sex hormones to. They just ask them how they feel. And feelings are very unreliable, particularly in young people. That’s why the rates of young people saying they’re transgender is nearly ten times that of people over thirty. Because when they say they “feel like” the other sex, they don’t actually know anything about how members of the other sex feel, inside their own heads. I used to believe all that stuff too. But the rocketing rates of transitioning with no-one even asking the question “hey, is this maybe overdiagnosed?” and the fear responses to talking about the rising tide of detransitioners, changed my mind. You can feel like you _want to do_ things typical of the other sex, and that’s fine, but if you claim your feelings are by definition other-sex feelings, you’re claiming something you can’t know. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/195 "2022-09-30T22:19:24Z")
It is unusual that theres such an explosion of this. Don’t want to get flamed, but I cannot believe thousands or more children wanted to transition and weren’t able to until now. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/196 "2022-09-30T22:32:31Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Don’t want to get flamed, but I cannot believe thousands or more children wanted to transition and weren’t able to until now. I won’t flame you, but do you really find it hard to believe that this was not very supported until recently? You don’t believe it was a taboo subject until recently? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/197 "2022-09-30T22:37:20Z")
Can I call you **Attamakun**? I think I love you for this post. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/198 "2022-09-30T22:39:24Z")
It seems to have been. I do recall, when little, hearing about a famous woman, was it Jorgensen, or Richards, help me here, so its been going on a while. I didn’t think it was a big deal; her life, you know. If there were thousands back then who wanted to transition, what happened to them, as they couldn’t? I googled, and it seems there were clinics back then. Is there a pushback now because its minors? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/199 "2022-09-30T22:39:58Z")
Hai! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/200 "2022-09-30T22:45:17Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I cannot believe thousands or more children wanted to transition and weren’t able to until now. How many thousands are we talking? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009.md?page=11)