# Spot the Actual Hatred Challenge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009 "2022-09-22T02:05:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/141 "2022-09-29T21:24:01Z")
I guess I should count my blessings, though. I find it annoying that so many posters here feel the need to drag their anti-religion prejudice into every possible conversation. OTOH, if aggressive hostility to religion weren’t so widely accepted here, we might be overrun with proselytizing Christians, which would be far more annoying. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/142 "2022-09-29T21:36:27Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > No, of course not, but I am saying that someone who thinks humans are going to colonize the galaxy by living in hollowed out asteroids really has little room to make fun of anyone else’s beliefs. Umm, compared to a magic man in the sky that speaks things into existence humans colonizing the galaxy with hollowed out asteroids is on very solid ground. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/143 "2022-09-29T21:42:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > “Oh, someone on a messagebaord said something about how they find my beliefs to be _boring_” is “hate speech”, then you need some serious recalibration. Surely you know that’s not the part he was objecting to. This is the problematic language: > obsessed with an invisible sky daddy that beg for a favors and sing to once a week That’s clearly a deliberately insulting way to refer to Christian beliefs. And since no one in this thread or being discussed in this thread was using Christianity to “lecture about objective reality” or advocating Christian Nationalism, it came out of nowhere. You can argue whether or not it is hate speech, but it’s disingenuous to ignore the actual insulting part of what someone says. Personally, I think it doesn’t make sense to mock people for the part that isn’t the actual problem. If nothing else, it’s a tactical miss, as now any transphobic Christian could focus on that part, and not the actual transphobia. It plays right into the Evangelical Christian persecution fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/144 "2022-09-29T21:44:43Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I think in a lot of situations it also may leave people open to unwanted questions from co-workers or whoever as to why they’re using that bathroom, when they’re neither accompanied by a child nor appearing to have any mobility issues. > > If all or most of the restrooms are like that, of course, that wouldn’t be likely to come up; but in a lot of places there are a significant number of gendered stalls and only one “family” version. Plus you know there would be a lot of snowflakes complaining. “Waaah! Transgendered people get their own private bathroom and I don’t! Why should they get special treatment? Waaah!” I’ve already heard the same complaints about handicapped and pregnant people getting reserved parking spaces. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/145 "2022-09-29T21:48:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It plays right into the Evangelical Christian persecution fantasy. Precisely what does not play right into the Evangelical Christian persecution fantasy? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/146 "2022-09-29T22:01:12Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > No, of course not, but I am saying that someone who thinks humans are going to colonize the galaxy by living in hollowed out asteroids really has little room to make fun of anyone else’s beliefs. Well, now that I see where you are coming from… Is it a religious thing that makes you misrepresent what other people say as you have done here, or is it just an asshole thing? > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Obviously there is a great deal of religiously motivated transphobia in American society, but as far as I can tell none of the transphobes here fall into that category Once again, you misrepresent what was said. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > hence why I felt AH’s post was off topic as well as being gratuitously offensive. I’ll agree it was a bit insulting towards people who impose their beliefs on others, but not every insult is hate speech. But we have already determined that you are willing to lie about what others have said in order to play your little martyr game. I’ve asked people if they get internet points for pulling that sort of shit. Do you get martyr points for this? What can you trade them in for? Or are you just an asshole, who gets enjoyment out of being an asshole? Doesn’t really matter, _plonk_ to you. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/147 "2022-09-29T22:09:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s clearly a deliberately insulting way to refer to Christian beliefs. The fact that an accurate way of describing them ends up being insulting is not really on her, I don’t think. > [@BigT](#): > > since no one in this thread or being discussed in this thread was using Christianity to “lecture about objective reality” or advocating Christian Nationalism, it came out of nowhere. I don’t think that she referred to anyone in this thread, people just popped their heads up in order to be insulted. However, if you don’t think that transphobia has a major foothold because of religion, then I don’t know what to tell you. The fact that she identified a major root of transphobic panic doesn’t mean that _all_ those who choose to believe in things that cannot actually exist are being named here. Sometimes, beliefs in something not real are harmless. Other times, they are extremely harmful. You should recognize this, rather than complaining when it is pointed out to you. > [@BigT](#): > > If nothing else, it’s a tactical miss, as now any transphobic Christian could focus on that part, and not the actual transphobia. It plays right into the Evangelical Christian persecution fantasy. Ah, transphobic christians will misrepresent anything to further their hatred, it’s what they do. And they will even get people to white knight for them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/148 "2022-09-29T22:12:06Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The fact that an accurate way of describing them ends up being insulting is not really on her, I don’t think. It doesn’t properly describe me as a Christian, and fuck you to any ignorant bigots who think otherwise. It’s not a literal “daddy” in the sky, I don’t “sing once a week” or any of that shit. Yeah, it’s bullshit. You can’t counter bigotry with bigotry. You’re just fueling it. If someone who was a theist was mean to you, I’m sorry about that, but fuck your prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/149 "2022-09-29T22:46:04Z")
It’s amazing what a good deal theists have arranged for themselves. No other form of bigotry has to do with _beliefs_. Everything else is based on characteristics which are immutable, or nearly so–sex, race, gender, disability, and so on. But religion gets a special exception. It’s the only one which a person can change in themselves instantly, simply by changing their mind about a thing. Furthermore, no other _belief_ gets the same special treatment. I can call flat-Earthers dipshits and assholes every day of the week and not hear a peep. But do the same with religion and the pitchforks come out. Despite the fact that Christianity and other religions have a whole host of beliefs that are more absurd, less supportable, and more offensive than anything from the flat-Earthers. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/150 "2022-09-29T22:51:15Z")
Sorry for contributing to the hijack. Let’s all focus on what’s really important: Aspidistra is a hateful idiot and a far worse person than anyone involved in this sidetrack. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/151 "2022-09-29T22:57:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If someone who was a theist was mean to you, I’m sorry about that, but fuck your prejudice. “If?” We’re three months out from theists stripping every woman in America of her reproductive rights, and you’re phrasing this as a conditional? Sorry that people whose fundamental rights are under constant attack by your co-religionists aren’t always perfectly polite when discussing your beliefs. I’m sure the pain you feel must be nearly unbearable. I hope you can find the strength to soldier through. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/152 "2022-09-29T23:02:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Sorry that people whose fundamental rights are under constant attack by your co-religionists aren’t always perfectly polite when discussing your beliefs. I hate those people too, but blaming it on everyone who believes in religion is pathetic. If you think that way, fuck you. Seriously. It’s no different than saying everyone in the US is a MAGA drone, and describing everyone in the US that way. It’s ignorant bullshit. This is where prejudice comes from, and I’m disgusted by anyone who would support it. Shame on you. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/153 "2022-09-29T23:14:03Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I hate those people too… I thought you weren’t supposed to do that. > [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s no different than saying everyone in the US is a MAGA drone, and describing everyone in the US that way. Solid comparison, I entirely agree. I personally deplore what American foreign policy has done to the Middle East, but if some guy from Iran who’s ten month old baby was killed in a drone strike wants to call Americans a pack of murderous assholes, I’m not going to get all indignant about it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/154 "2022-09-29T23:29:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Then why are you right-wing? Forced displays of conformity are a central tenet of conservatism in general and definitely the current authoritarian American right. > > Much of the strength of the current pushback against misgendering (in society, not just here) is a reaction to an active pogrom by the right against LGBT people, fed by propagandists such as Christopher Rufo (who brought us the “groomers” slur, among other things) and manifesting itself in actual legislation across the country restricting not just what can be said where and to whom but imposing severe consequences for those who break those laws (which are, please note, a lot more serious than a Mod note). What “forced displays of conformity” have you seen or been subjected to that matches that? > > Or are you too busy being sad about being asked to be a decent human being (which you seem to think you are, all evidence to the contrary) and use someone’s preferred pronouns to concern yourself with the suffering of and literal attacks on transgender people? I’ll use whatever pronoun someone wants. To me, it’s not that huge of a deal to accommodate one’s desire on how to be addressed. Being compelled to do so is where I think it’s counterproductive to advancing your progressive ideal. As to why I’m a conservative? It’s because I feel that modern liberalism is a dangerous cult cloaked with virtuous sounding platitudes. Those who want control of the apparatus of the state are only interested in power. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How are they forced? “Forced” implies threat of force if you disobey. Being suspended from a message board is not a use of force. Using a message board is a private transaction – if you want to use a private message board, you have to obey the board’s rules. You are free to criticize private transactions if you wish, but you’re being factually inaccurate when you use words like “forced”. Forced with regards to this particular space is accurate. The expectation that the way one thinks can be altered as quickly and simply as using a light switch demonstrates either supreme arrogance or profound ignorance. Neither of which is helpful for moving society in the direction you want moved. > [@steronz](#): > > How is this statement different from: “Racism strikes me as undesirable. It’s scary that you disagree.” Specifically, as a tactic to “shut down debate.” > > Jon Stewart many years ago said something that’s stuck with me, which (paraphrased) is “we did a really good job following the civil rights movement of convincing everyone that racism is bad. The problem now is that we haven’t been able to convince people what racism _is_.” > > And I think the eugenics argument laid out above is apt. Can you imagine the SDMB circa 1910 having to entertain posters who genuinely believed that negros were a subspecies of human? And any debate about whether or not African-Americans should have rights devolved into a “free and open discussion” about whether or not they were even _people_? It would be a miserable place to exist, and black people wouldn’t stick around. I would have 100% been on board with banning that line of thought, solely in the interest of improving the environment here. Is that a “forced display of conformity?” Is it _scary_ that people might be OK with that? Would eugenics advocates have resorted to bitching about a “hive mind” unwilling to engage in free and fair discussion? Let’s not restrict this to the SDMB. Did the advocation of eugenics in the general public diminish due to fiat imposed from figures in authority or did it change because of reasoned argument? > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It’s only been 7 years since Obergfell, and you realize just how much of a non-issue it really is, how your opposition to same sex unions was overruled and it truly didn’t impact you in any way. Do you feel bad that your opinion on this issue (and so many others like you) prevented uncounted decent law abiding Americans from accessing the benefits of marriage? Do you think, maybe, you were simply wrong to oppose the idea at the beginning? I was definitely against the concept being mandated by judicial decree if it opposed democratically enacted law because I thought that legislatures should have the power to enact law. Truth be told, I wasn’t in favor of same sex marriage myself because I thought society has an interest in promotion of reproduction. That is how the species continues and having extra incentives to reproduce, in my opinion, is a good thing. But my views have evolved and I don’t think humanity is in any danger due to expanding the right to marry to be more inclusive. Am I ashamed about being a bit behind the curve on this subject? Yes. I am. Just as I am ashamed for some of the other things I thought when I was younger. Do I think the solution is dictated ways of speaking or thinking? No. I think the solution is well reasoned arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/155 "2022-09-30T00:04:43Z")
Actual persecution. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/156 "2022-09-30T00:07:18Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Forced with regards to this particular space is accurate. The expectation that the way one thinks can be altered as quickly and simply as using a light switch demonstrates either supreme arrogance or profound ignorance. Neither of which is helpful for moving society in the direction you want moved. There’s no such expectation. The purpose of the ban on miagendering has nothing to do with changing the way people think, and everything to do with ensuring this board is a welcoming and safe place for trans people. The board has decided that making sure trans people feel welcome is more important and more valuable than making sure transphobes feel free to say transphobic things. Your understanding of why this board makes the decisions it does appears highly inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/157 "2022-09-30T00:33:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I thought you weren’t supposed to do that. I’m not but fuck those people. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/158 "2022-09-30T01:10:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Let’s not restrict this to the SDMB. Did the advocation of eugenics in the general public diminish due to fiat imposed from figures in authority or did it change because of reasoned argument? Neither. Last I checked eugenics fell out of favor due to Nazis and the Holocaust. Heck, IIRC eugenics advocated Lindbergh changed his mind when he saw a liberated death camp. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/159 "2022-09-30T01:17:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Let’s not restrict this to the SDMB. How convenient of you to change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009/160 "2022-09-30T01:19:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s clearly a deliberately insulting way to refer to Christian beliefs I am SO VERY FUCKING SICK of Christians thinking it’s all about them. ‘Beg invisible sky daddy for favors and sing once a week’ applies equally well to Islam and Judaism too. But, no. It’s always got to be about you! ETA Yes, I’m serious. Note the cursing. I’ve been here since 2000 and have cursed about once a year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spot-the-actual-hatred-challenge/972009.md?page=9)