# Spread Your Legs, Babe **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 10, 2002, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742 "2002-09-10T00:38:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/21 "2002-09-10T11:22:20Z")
I would have looked. And maybe even had a brief sexual fantasy about it. But I woulda kept it to myself. But that’s me. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/22 "2002-09-10T11:37:56Z")
I already posted how I feel about it in the Pit thread, and I have to say that it’s nice to see my theory backed up. The worst crime that Danalan seems to have commited is hanging out with people with very poor judgement. Hello Kitty, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/23 "2002-09-10T12:01:48Z")
"Dear Penthouse: I never thought this would happen to me … " ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/24 "2002-09-10T12:46:26Z")
And then I saw her laying, improbably, against my ceiling, surrounded by and wearing naught but rose petals… 😃 Seriously, though, as long as you don’t go to her high school’s basketball games and imagine her cheering naked just for you, I think you should be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Oblong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c0e974/32.png) [@Oblong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oblong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/25 "2002-09-10T13:38:50Z")
Big deal. You saw just as much as you’d see when she’s doing her cheerleader routines. She probably sticks her ass, gyrates, thrusts her hips in a sexual way, and does other sexually suggestive things. I get tired of women wearing clothes like that then complaining when guys take a look. ---
**Author:** ![Venoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@Venoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Venoma)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/26 "2002-09-10T13:41:16Z")
Uh, he’s not a pedophile. Looks like a human action from here. Hell, I was 16 not so long ago myself - I have tried to get into a truck wearing a mid-thigh skirt and had to watch myself. Don’t blame him for a somewhat involuntary act that she should have known was a danger. I’m not saying I’m defending his actions - but the fault lies with all parties involved here. I wear an impossibly short skirt, someone sees my panties because it’s hiked up too far, and it’s THEIR fault? Please. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/27 "2002-09-10T14:39:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SanibelMan \* > \*\*Seriously. Dude. You need help. Listen to me now: You cannot look lustfully at 16 year old girls, even if they’re wearing miniskirts with no panties. You may never believe it, but the excuse “she wasn’t wearing any panties - she wanted me to look” does NOT hold up in any American court of law that I know of. You should take a long, hard (sorry) look at your wife and family and job, and maybe you should be thankful that you have what you do, and that you’re not dropping the soap for Bubba in prison because you wanted some 16 year old tail at some point in your life when that was no longer a viable option. Got it? \*\* Perhaps, **SanibelMan** , you could use your vast knowledge of American courts of law to explain precisely what law you believe was violated by “looking lustfully at 16 year old girls”. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Neidhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Neidhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neidhart)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/28 "2002-09-10T14:45:43Z")
I’m sure there’s a Saudi law that applies 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/29 "2002-09-10T15:10:07Z")
It’s NOT the fact that they found her attractive and accidentally saw her underwear. It’s that they kept leering at her, and then COMMENTED on her panties, and LAUGHED at her obvious discomfort. When she said, “Are you looking up my skirt?” they should have said, 'What? Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to." Even if they did. If I wear a short skirt, it’s usually because of warm weather. Perhaps she was clueless, and wasn’t really aware of how far up her skirt traveled. Been there, done that. (In fact, when I was in seventh grade, a picture of me from fifth grade, taken at a friend’s B-day part, surfaced. I was wearing a flowered jean skirt-and my panties were showing, because I was sitting weird, and had been unaware. A friend had snapped the picture of a group of us, unaware that my undies were showing. After getting teased a bit, my friends put it away, and instead showed a picture of all us in our school uniforms.) But that doesn’t mean they have to intentionally LAUGH at her when she catches them. I hope Bob finds out-and I hope he attends to these guys. And I’m positive they won’t be allowed around his daughter. Now I can see why Pete’s MIL feels the way she does. ---
**Author:** ![\_etalhea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/779978/32.png) [@\_etalhea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_etalhea)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/30 "2002-09-10T15:22:39Z")
Several points I feel compelled to make, some of which are amplifications of other people’s comments: 1. As a reformed redneck and a former member of the extreme lower class, I think people need to realize that this situation was a mechanical inevitability. Most of you have probably never ridden 3-across in an old truck like the one in the OP. The person in the middle is always cramped, and always has to spread their legs for the upper gears. This situation was not engineered by these two guys, it just happens. 2. I honestly don’t think this girl was ever in any real physical danger. These guys wouldn’t have hurt or wronged her in any situation. They would have wanted to, but the wouldn’t have. Hell, I want to, and I’ve never met the girl. But I wouldn’t. There’s a difference between thinking and acting. 3. The fact that this isn’t the pit prevents me from telling you just how…Harshly Judgemental I believe you all are. Woe be to you if that same harsh light you put this guy under ever be turned against you. **Let he who is without dog shit on his sneaker take the first step on the white carpet!!!** 4. The OP’er should consider a writing career. Excellently told story, held the payoff until the last possible moment, great detail. Don’t let the fanatics get you down, most of us humans out here realize what you were trying to convey. ---
**Author:** ![Venoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@Venoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Venoma)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/31 "2002-09-10T15:32:20Z")
Accd to the OP, she didn’t ask ‘are you looking up my skirt’ but the expression on her face showed that she had realized it. Guin, in the example you give (not really a correlary from your phrasing) you’re 11 or 12 - this girl is 16. I think that makes a big difference. You’re right Guin, Bob will probably talk to them about this - or her parents - and one or the other will probably talk to her about her lack of discretion in choice of clothing as well. (A month or so ago, a guy at a club said very directly to me ‘I can see your nipples’ - should I have turned red and become hugely embarrassed? Talked to my father?) ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/32 "2002-09-10T16:23:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by //\etalhea|) \* > this situation was a mechanical inevitability. Most of you have probably never ridden 3-across in an old truck like the one in the OP. The person in the middle is always cramped, and always has to spread their legs for the upper gears. This situation was not engineered by these two guys, it just happens. Except that a gentleman would not make the young teenage girl sit in the middle, but instead would let her have the seat next to the window so that she has more “personal space”. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/33 "2002-09-10T16:37:23Z")
I personally would sneak a look, and would enjoy the opportunity to sit next to a hot 16 year old, but I wouldn’t have commented. That’s just rude. ---
**Author:** ![Oblong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c0e974/32.png) [@Oblong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oblong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/34 "2002-09-10T16:48:23Z")
I’ve had to sit in the middle before like that and it was very uncomfortable. I also think that girl knew exactly what she was doing. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/35 "2002-09-10T16:59:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\*Except that a gentleman would not make the young teenage girl sit in the middle, but instead would let her have the seat next to the window so that she has more “personal space”. \*\* But she needed to stay in the truck while **Danalan** went in for his beer/cherry sucker purchase and Pete bought gas in order to avoid flashing the whole gas station. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/36 "2002-09-10T17:14:17Z")
> [@](#): > > it became apparent that we needed: (snip) and 6) much more beer. so, in addition to getting this young woman feeling totally exposed and embarassed, in a vulnerable position w/no avenue for escape with two older men who were virtual strangers to her (tho’ they were friends of her friend’s father), your friend was driving, having had ‘some’ beer and ‘needing much, much more’, but who’se MIL wouldn’t let him buy beer at her store 'cause she thought he was a low life. got it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/37 "2002-09-10T17:44:49Z")
The point is, Helen was naive, all right? Since when is it a crime to be naive? Okay, she didn’t ASK them that, but for gosh sakes, since when do gentlemen take delight in making a girl totally embarassed? The proper response would not have been, “Hello Kitty!” But, “What? Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to.” She was probably babbling on and on because she was nervous. When I was sixteen, I might not have thought about my skirt riding up, or I maybe I would. If someone said that to me NOW, at age 24, I’d probably tell them to get lost. However, this girl is sixteen, and obviously, these guys aren’t capable of acting like mature, discreet adults. ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/38 "2002-09-10T17:56:25Z")
Jesus, you people are harsh to me when I haven’t had any sleep. Whatever. No laws broken, fine. Doesn’t make it right, in my mind. I still don’t like what he did. Maybe it makes me a knee-jerk radical feminazi in your minds, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to make comments about the underwear of a girl 25 years your junior when she’s riding in your car and you’ve just met her. Sorry if I’m way out in left field on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Narcissus\_Goldmund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@Narcissus\_Goldmund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Narcissus_Goldmund)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/39 "2002-09-10T17:59:49Z")
Bow wow wow, yippie yo, yippie yay! Nothing but a dog in heat! ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2002, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742/40 "2002-09-10T18:39:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Lao \* > But she needed to stay in the truck while **Danalan** went in for his beer/cherry sucker purchase and Pete bought gas in order to avoid flashing the whole gas station. When she first went in the truck she should have been offered the window seat. At the time of the gas station stop she could have stepped out and stepped back in once the purchasers have returned; or the two men could have both exited by the driver’s side. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spread-your-legs-babe/127742.md?page=3)