# Springtime wedding for Mary Kay and Vili **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2005, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094 "2005-02-14T22:53:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/41 "2005-02-15T20:07:34Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > \*\* But it really bothers me that there is a disparity in general in the sentences given to female offenders and male offenders – especially if the male student is in high school. The female teacher is then sometimes treated as if she has rendered some sort of service by introducing the young man to the pleasures of the flesh. Meanwhile, the male teacher would get a stiff (snort) sentence. And if it’s _gay sex_… [Court of Appeals upholds 17-year sentence for homosexual sex with minor](http://www.ljworld.com/section/citynews/story/159756) > [@](#): > > Under state law, if Limon had engaged in sex with an underage girl, he would have faced a maximum sentence of one year and three months in prison. Limon was 18 when he gave blowjob to a 14 year old boy. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/42 "2005-02-15T20:10:07Z")
> [@The Devil's Grandmother](#): > > And GaWd, as for my Ewu! reaction to an adult having sex with a child, it’s not something I can get over. You must acknowledge that to most 20-somethings the idea of a couple of grandparents (even the devil’s own) having sex is pretty icky. Shoud their notions of ickyness matter to you in your own private life? > [@The Devil's Grandmother](#): > > Your valid point about adult/child marriages in history is only valid in times and places where young people were considered adults at the age of 12 or 14. Right here, right now, many people are not considered functional adults until they are in their mid-20s. Even legal adulthood is 18 in most states. Of course, from a purely biological point of view, an adult/adolescent sexual relationship makes more sense than a later, especially post-menstrual one. One could argue that if we were to strip away our cultural biases, the ick factor we are talking abut here would go away on its own. Having said all that I do agree that the way our society is set up, it is best to marry within your own generation. We have long since abandoned the idea that the wife or wives are the property of the man, and marriages are expected to be a lifetime partnership. It’s hard enough holding one together when you’re not having to constantly swim against the current. \*\*ivylass \*\* - Just for the record, she didn’t start “chasing after him when he was seven”. It is true that he was her student when he was seven, but nothing really odd began to happen until after she was promoted to teach the fifth grade and had him for a student again. He was 13 when they first had sex. [This site](http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/marykay_letourneau/1.html)) among others covers it pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/43 "2005-02-15T20:20:12Z")
Perhaps because 12 is so freaking YOUNG. Hell, I feel guilty thinking Elijiah Wood is hot-and he’s only THREE years younger than I am. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/44 "2005-02-15T20:32:07Z")
> [@Cliffy](#): > > I, for one, don’t think it’s fine and dandy. I just don’t think it’s any of your fucking business. Or mine. > > –Cliffy What a rapist does is always my business. Especially if it’s with her victim and their poor children. Why shouldn’t we keep a very careful eye on everything this woman does for the rest of her life? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/45 "2005-02-15T20:34:29Z")
> [@El Zagna](#): > > You must acknowledge that to most 20-somethings the idea of a couple of grandparents (even the devil’s own) having sex is pretty icky. Shoud their notions of ickyness matter to you in your own private life? You’re right, few people want to think about their parents having sex, partly because they are your parents, and partly because they are old. I’m sure a random 14 year old boy is not going to find me particularly attractive, nor I him. I’m sure there’s a planetfull of people who would rather not think about the Devil’s Grandfather and I bumping uglies. The intergenerational aspect of the Mary Kay/Vili relationship is somewhat lower on the ick factor than the fact that he’s marrying his rapist. Let’s just hope they take the “If anyone knows why these two should not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace” line out of their wedding. I can only imagine what Vili’s mom might say at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/46 "2005-02-15T20:53:26Z")
If you want some fun reading, read the wedding registry comments for them at [weddingchannel.com](http://weddingchannel.com) It was FARK’d earlier and …woooo…good times. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/47 "2005-02-15T20:59:45Z")
[Whoa, check out their charity registration!](http://www.idofoundation.org/cgi-bin/viewdonations.cgi?WeddingID=5727&WCSID=581883435) All children’s causes. “Save the Children”, “Victims of Crime”. This chick is seriously, seriously loopy. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/48 "2005-02-16T00:18:27Z")
> [@El Zagna](#): > > \*\*ivylass \*\* - Just for the record, she didn’t start “chasing after him when he was seven”. It is true that he was her student when he was seven, but nothing really odd began to happen until after she was promoted to teach the fifth grade and had him for a student again. He was 13 when they first had sex. [This site](http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/marykay_letourneau/1.html)) among others covers it pretty well. You can call it “odd.” I call it criminal. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/49 "2005-02-16T01:01:57Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > You can call it “odd.” > > I call it criminal. And according to the law you’re right. Still, I’ve never seen a thread dealing with statutory rape that didn’t leave me feeling that the laws are hopelessly fucked up. I realize that they are trying to protect a class of innocent people from predators, but more often than not (or so it seems) the ljustice system does more damage to the parties than their trysts ever could. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/50 "2005-02-16T01:12:18Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > Is **Crazy as Batshit** an official physchiatric diagnosis? 😃 Only when you use the guano of a laboratory calibrated bat – a pipistrelle is recommended – fed a specified diet, as the standard against which the craziness is measured. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/51 "2005-02-16T01:16:52Z")
Oh, and did you notice they’re also registered at Tiffany’s? Fucking Tiffany’s. She’s got a cheese serving set worth about $185 bucks, a teapot for $200, platinum band china for $60 dollars a piece for the dinner plates-and she wants 10 of them. The only thing I wonder is that it maybe someone else who registered them. But then, she’s probably that fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/52 "2005-02-16T03:27:55Z")
Deplorable, isn’t it? For me as a person don’t want to be with someone so much older. My parent have a 10 year age gap, and the differences can occassionally pile up. I want to see what she has the chutzpah to ask for on her registry, even though i think she is less intelligent than things growing pink and green fuzzies in the back of my fridge. I did clean out the fridge recently—sometime at the end of January ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/53 "2005-02-16T03:47:20Z")
> [@anya marie](#): > > Deplorable, isn’t it? For me as a person don’t want to be with someone so much older. My parent have a 10 year age gap, and the differences can occassionally pile up. > > I want to see what she has the chutzpah to ask for on her registry, even though i think she is less intelligent than things growing pink and green fuzzies in the back of my fridge. > > I did clean out the fridge recently—sometime at the end of January [Here you go.](http://wedding.weddingchannel.com/search_purchase/guest_view.asp?wauid=564313940) Hmmm…her registries keep changing-maybe it’s a hoax? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/54 "2005-02-16T04:17:00Z")
> [@El Zagna](#): > > And according to the law you’re right. Still, I’ve never seen a thread dealing with statutory rape that didn’t leave me feeling that the laws are hopelessly fucked up. I realize that they are trying to protect a class of innocent people from predators, but more often than not (or so it seems) the ljustice system does more damage to the parties than their trysts ever could. Cite? Because from everything I’ve ever read these relationships are extremely harmful to young kids: [http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numbereleven.htm](http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numbereleven.htm) > [@](#): > > A recent study by the Population Reference Bureau found that about two-thirds of births to teenage girls nationwide are fathered by adult men age 20 or older.[3] Additionally, the Alan Guttmacher Institute’s 1994 report, “Sex and America’s Teenagers,” found that six of 10 girls who had sex before age 15 were coerced by males an average of six years their senior.[4] The Urban Institute cites a study showing that “three quarters of females who had sexual intercourse before age 14 reported having had sex involuntarily.”[5] Letourneau was not the local fifteen year old playing around with his slightly younger girlfriend. She was a thirty-four year old pedophile who preyed on an elementary school aged child. I am saddened to read some people brushing her actions off as inconsequential. They most certainly were not. I only pray that Vili’s children will somehow come out of this without long term consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/55 "2005-02-16T05:36:30Z")
I wonder what happened to the 4 kids she already had with her first husband. I’d change my name if I were in their shoes. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/56 "2005-02-16T06:54:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [Here you go.](http://wedding.weddingchannel.com/search_purchase/guest_view.asp?wauid=564313940) > > Hmmm…her registries keep changing-maybe it’s a hoax? Hahahaha… there are another set of good possibilties, for this. One, probably she has a large extended family buying her a present. Or since this registry has been linked repeatedly, complete total strangers are getting her stuff 'cos it 's "so romantic ":rolleyes: :dubious: :rolleyes: :smack: 😕 And here I am thinkig a registry is inapproriate for a second wedding. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/57 "2005-02-16T07:39:29Z")
> [@Abbie Carmichael](#): > > I wonder what happened to the 4 kids she already had with her first husband. The last I heard, they were with their father and living in Alaska. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/58 "2005-02-16T13:00:20Z")
> [@lavenderlemon](#): > > Cite? Cite? Cite for what? How I \*feel \* about some laws? My \*impression \* of the consequences of the laws? How about I use the example of my first time? I was only a couple of years older than Vili and probably not nearly as mature physically or emotionally. I was in Australia on a tour with my older brother (by two years) and older cousin (by three years), and the one thing we wanted to do on this trip was get laid. The great museums and history - yeah, whatever. It all came together in a brothel Innsbruk, Austria, and the prostitute I got was probably LeTourneau’s age at the time. Was I traumatized by the experience? Absolutely not. Have I ever regretted the experience? Absolutely not. Can I possibly twist the experience in my mind to make the woman come out a rapist? Absolutely not. Although it was lousy sex, it was all and all a wonderful experience that I cherish to this day, and I offer my deepest gratitude to the sweet lady wherever she may be. Now would I have been traumatized if this had somehow made it to the papers and TV? Hell stinkin’ yes. Would I be scarred to this day from the humiliation of having this talked about all around town when I was 15? Hell stinkin’ yes. Would I appreciate the busy-bodies coming to me insisting to me that I was victimized? Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Winnie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@Winnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winnie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/59 "2005-02-16T14:48:31Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > If you want some fun reading, read the wedding registry comments for them at [weddingchannel.com](http://weddingchannel.com) > > It was FARK’d earlier and …woooo…good times. I can’t find this! Where are the registry comments? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/springtime-wedding-for-mary-kay-and-vili/290094/60 "2005-02-16T15:08:26Z")
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