# ST: Enterprise "Countdown" Ep. 3x23 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005 "2004-05-19T18:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/1 "2004-05-19T18:35:40Z")
I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I know it’s a little early, but I’ve already seen this and I wanted to start a thread so I could comment on it. Please forgive me! Okay? Okay. It was pretty good. Mild(ish) spoiler comments: [spoiler]Some good Hoshi time. Though perhaps not as much as some of you would like. Things are moving along nicely. Too bad about that MACO guy. Bummer. More time with the scary spheres. And the aquatics finally come to the plate! Can hardly wait for next week![/spoiler] And YAY! [Enterprise is renewed for next year!](http://www.trektoday.com/news/190504_01.shtml) YAY! ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/2 "2004-05-19T19:34:57Z")
Well…since he’s dead, I guess Degra hasn’t “raged” (anagram of "Degra) against the Reptilians… But does the reptilian commander **degra** de the quality of Xindi representatives? …Athelas, who is wincing at his own puns ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/3 "2004-05-19T23:53:44Z")
Well, athelas, your puns are making me cringe too! 😉 It’s coming on in a few minutes here in Hooterville so I figured I’d bump this thread . . . ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/4 "2004-05-20T00:06:56Z")
Yeah it was a good episode. In fact I’m watching it again right now. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/5 "2004-05-20T01:07:20Z")
Yep. I just saw it again too with my sister (who hadn’t seen it yet). She’s somewhat visually impaired so I read aloud the subtitles (Xindi) to her. It was interesting to see it again. I also wanted to see what the previews were for next week (I hadn’t seen them yet) but what I saw was pretty short and didn’t give much information. Ah well, we’ll just have to wait until next week! And that will be _it_, until next season. And what a nice feeling it was—to watch this episode, knowing that there _was_ to be a next season! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/6 "2004-05-20T01:58:42Z")
I am not reading one bit of this thread until I finish the episode. Okay, I peeked. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![the\_Lady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@the\_Lady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_Lady)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/7 "2004-05-20T02:30:10Z")
I don’t care what anyone says - I love this show. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/8 "2004-05-20T02:53:38Z")
Whoo! Hoshi! Any time she is on screen, I am happy. Unless she is sad, then so am I. ☹ Did they hurt her too much? The commercials for the episode where they show her screaming in some sort of torturous looking chair make me cringe. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/9 "2004-05-20T03:03:13Z")
Hoshi’s cool. You know that whatever is wrong with her, in the end, Phlox will take care of it. It’s sad to see her suffer, but she carries herself well and shows herself to be brave and resourceful. I was expecting a little more “Hoshi Time” (I was just thinking of all you fanboys) and I will tell you that she’s not the main focal point of the story. But she is in it enough, I guess. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/10 "2004-05-20T03:06:58Z")
Hey, cool. They get UPN here and I just watched the teaser. I might actually be able to discuss the shows now instead of just nodding and acting like I know what you guys are talking about. I’ll miss my weekly tapes though. I feel so special when I get mail from **viva**. ☹ (I’m frowning a lot today) ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/11 "2004-05-20T03:09:31Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > Hoshi’s cool. You know that whatever is wrong with her, in the end, Phlox will take care of it. > > It’s sad to see her suffer, but she carries herself well and shows herself to be brave and resourceful. I was expecting a little more “Hoshi Time” (I was just thinking of all you fanboys) and I will tell you that she’s not the main focal point of the story. But she is in it enough, I guess. 🙂 Damn Bermaga to hell! She got kidnapped! She should be the focus! I like Phlox too. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/12 "2004-05-20T04:06:08Z")
Looks like I get to triple post. I liked tonight’s episode despite it being nothing more than a buildup to next week’s episode without any appreciable character devolpment. It doesn’t make sense without context (which I have little of due to a hazy memory of the shows I watched the past two days) but was still good overall. The only nitpicks I noticed were the mention of T’Pol formalizing her tenure with Starfleet, thus making her the first Vulcan officer, not Spock, and the way in which the MACO (Hayes?) died. There’s been no precedent at all for someone dying in that manner and it came off as nothing more than a cheap ploy to get people talking. I give the show a C+. ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/13 "2004-05-20T04:15:02Z")
Another great episode with a cliffhanger ending that is making me go crazy!!! :eek: gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/14 "2004-05-20T04:46:42Z")
**Aes** , should I not bother to tape ENT any more for you? I can still tape some other stuff until summer reruns set in. **the Lady** : You go, girl. I don’t keeeer either. I like me some ENT! 🆒 ## **yosemite** : I hope so, but I’ll believe it 100% when UPN makes their announcement on May 20. I just hope they don’t move it to Fridays. That’s how TOS was killed. The episode: Good angry defiant spittin’ Hoshi!!! It was smart of her to figure out a way to stall. But the poor gal doesn’t even get any rest when she’s injured. Good scenes with T’Pol and Trip. Nice full circle job on Reed and Hayes. Did the Xindi allies know enough not to blow up the ship with Hoshi on it? Did anyone tell them, or was she just lucky? Lots of action and tension and good pacing. Kudos to McNeill for the direction. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/15 "2004-05-20T04:50:53Z")
And just for the bleedin’ hell of it: [Taxidermied prizefighting squirrels.](http://www.acaseofcuriosities.com/anthropomorphic.html) Sad. Creepy sad. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/16 "2004-05-20T05:03:19Z")
If you don’t mind and it wouldn’t be too much trouble, would you tape ENT for me still? I often forget to watch TV anyway and would like knowing I have a backup, just in case. I haven’t forgotten I owe you a metric ton of empty tapes either. Expect a shipment in a month or two. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/17 "2004-05-20T05:20:01Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Good angry defiant spittin’ Hoshi!!! Many times throughout _Trek_’s history, I have lamented the fact that the various “alien” species not only **look** like human beings wearing funny costumes, they all **react** as though they were human beings wearing funny costumes. This is another one of those times. I mean, wouldn’t it have been great if, after Hoshi had spit in his face, the Reptillian commander had said, “We thank you for the gift of your body’s water”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/18 "2004-05-20T05:21:21Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > **yosemite** : I hope so, but I’ll believe it 100% when UPN makes their announcement on May 20. I just hope they don’t move it to Fridays. That’s how TOS was killed. They’re moving it to Fridays. At least that’s what the reports all say. ☹ And the prizefighting squirrels: only on such a thread, man, only on such a thread! Thanks for sharing! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/19 "2004-05-20T05:25:17Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Good angry defiant spittin’ Hoshi!!! Many times throughout _Trek_’s history, I have lamented the fact that the various “alien” species not only **look** like human beings wearing funny costumes, they all **react** as though they were human beings wearing funny costumes. This is another one of those times. I mean, wouldn’t it have been great if, after Hoshi had spit in his face, the Reptillian commander had said, “We thank you for the gift of your body’s water”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/20 "2004-05-20T05:36:58Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I haven’t forgotten I owe you a metric ton of empty tapes either. It’s worse than that. You actually owe her a **British long ton** of empty tapes, which is 35 pounds, 6 ounces heavier. That’s pounds and ounces avoirdupois, by the way. Not pounds and ounces troy. In case you were worried. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005.md?page=2)