# ST: Enterprise "Countdown" Ep. 3x23 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005 "2004-05-19T18:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/61 "2004-05-21T15:21:48Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I wish each Xindi had species names instead of just adjectives. Arboreal, Reptilian, Aquatic, Insectoid, Avian, and Humanoid (this one especially) all sound odd when spoken by the members of the Xindi council. I can understand us Earthers doing it but them? I’m sure it’s nothing more than a limitation of the universal translator. In the native Xindi language(s), the Insectoids are probably called something like the slimy Xchityl of the Planet Slooggg\*. \*) Let’s see if anybody gets this reference ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/62 "2004-05-21T15:23:02Z")
Just watched it on the ole DVR. Overall it was pretty solid. The High School play quality acting from the actors playing Mayweather and Hoshi was a bit more grating then usual, probably because the other actors were doing so well. I was hoping they would have the balls to kill off Hoshi, but I should have known better. Other then that- it was good. I just hope they keep this up for next year. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/63 "2004-05-21T15:28:18Z")
Ahh… of course, antigrav generators. That explains what I was screaming at the screen: Where are the handrails!? I guess since that grav is artificial anyway, you can make it pull toward the catwalk rather than the floor of the chamber. So if you stumble off the edge, you just end up on the other side of the catwalk. 🙂 The Aquatic ship was beautiful. Reminded me of the WhiteStar from B5. A fun episode where not a lot really happened. In the end, if you chopped off the last 5 minutes of **The Council** where Hoshi got captured and dumped the plot point about the 3 out of 5 codes, this episode didn’t really need to exist. But I guess that’s how you stretch a story to fill a whole season. 🙂 Hoshi got her noble attempt at suicide. Hayes and Reed got their closure. Hayes gets his noble end. Archer gets to posture to the Aquatics, nobly. T’pol and Trip get a bit closer, emotionally. The guardians get to show their hand a bit. The Reptillians lose their last Xindi ally. But the weapon is still headed to earth. 🙂 And what happened to the operatic singing we were promised? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/64 "2004-05-21T16:34:17Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Where are the handrails!? Reptilians don’t need handrails. Handrails are for sissies. If they fall, they try and land on someone they dislike. My point was that if you have a lot of power you can push around and later stop whatever mass you want. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/65 "2004-05-21T17:57:35Z")
Man, was this episode a stinker!! Did anyone else think they were watching a cheesy 1950s SciFi flick everytime the head Reptilian was on screen? Especially when he uttered “EX-cellent” on finding out that the “death star” was locked and loaded. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/66 "2004-05-21T18:02:49Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I guess since that grav is artificial anyway, you can make it pull toward the catwalk rather than the floor of the chamber. So if you stumble off the edge, you just end up on the other side of the catwalk. 🙂 If that’s true, then why did the reptilian bother catching Hoshi as she tried to leap to her death? Would have been more amusing to let her jump and laugh at her when she swung around and slammed up onto the underside. Actually, that would’ve been a pretty cool plot point, now that I think about it. “Don’t even bother trying to escape. You don’t know anything except what we tell you. Now sit down and get back to work.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/67 "2004-05-21T19:15:04Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > a cheesy 1950s SciFi flick Actually, I’ve been sort of amused by the cheesy elements of the show. It usually strikes me as sort of an homage to the old Kirk-era stuff, which to our modern eyes is often extremely cheesy. The snarling villains and blatant cheese-and-beef-cake are part and parcel, I think, with the Bermaga’s stated intention to get back to that classic feel. Now, to be fair, they don’t pull it off that well that often, because they’re also trying to balance our modern expectations about treknobabble and stuff as defined by more recent incarnations of the universe, and also because the writers have been hamstrung in other ways (e.g., the consistent refusal to put the characters in situations where they have to choose between no-win alternatives, which risks alienating the audience from “negative” characterizations, as I’ve described at length in previous threads, a problem that in my opinion has faded quite a bit in the latter half of this season, T’Pol’s stupid addiction subplot notwithstanding). So yeah, I noticed it, but no, it doesn’t bother me that much, especially compared to what seem to me to be much larger problems with the show. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/68 "2004-05-21T22:05:06Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Why bother? It’s obviously going to end next year. 😕 They were going to kill it a year ago, until the new arc and the “save the show” campaigns came along. And if we have to spend another season taking out ads, making bumper stickers and t shirts, emailing, faxing, phoning, postcard-and-letter-sending, then that is what we will do. UPN’s own Dawn Ostroff stated that the outpouring of support from fans was influential in regard to their decision. I won’t stop until we get a fifth season, and a sixth and seventh. And dat’s dat. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/69 "2004-05-21T23:33:45Z")
I dunno, I’d be for dumping Enterprise and starting Star Trek: Maquis. Steal the Firefly concept, and have a Serenity like crew trying to make a more or less dishonest living among the Federation, the Cardasians and the Maquis. Minus River and her Menarche Mysticism. Perhaps a Garak character hiding out from both sides. Ensign Ro would be cool. Keep Mal, the pilot and Wife. Oh, and Jane. Gotta keep Jane. One of Dr. Sung’s androids, hiding from everyone who think him to be human. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/70 "2004-05-22T00:04:28Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I dunno, I’d be for dumping Enterprise and starting Star Trek: Maquis. > Steal the Firefly concept, and have a Serenity like crew trying to make a more or less dishonest living among the Federation, the Cardasians and the Maquis. > Minus River and her Menarche Mysticism. > Perhaps a Garak character hiding out from both sides. Ensign Ro would be cool. > Keep Mal, the pilot and Wife. Oh, and Jane. Gotta keep Jane. > One of Dr. Sung’s androids, hiding from everyone who think him to be human. Actually I was thinking of this: A series focused on the Klingons, who by far are the most interesting race- maybe focusing on the time of Kayless or the maybe Klingon-Romulan Wars. Lots of fights, lots of starship battles, lots of political intregue, lots of bloody weapons, lusty drunken singing, scene chewing actors. . . it can’t miss! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/71 "2004-05-22T00:47:43Z")
> [@elf6c](#): > > A series focused on the Klingons, Wasn’t there some series that alternated between characters/plots each week? Say, three plots and character sets, a tad of over lap, and rule #1, a major character dies every season. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/72 "2004-05-22T02:16:54Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > Thanks! You come through again! > > However, I’m beginning to wonder whether I should look forward or fear your posts! 😉 Why not both? Hope this doesn’t come through twice…I think the one I just typed got eaten. Ever seen the German Trekkish folks dancing in the transporter? You have now: [http://www.periode1.de/film/periode1/showroom/html/small.php?periode=1068422616](http://www.periode1.de/film/periode1/showroom/html/small.php?periode=1068422616) ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/73 "2004-05-22T05:22:22Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Why not both? Why not, indeed? 😉 > [@](#): > > Ever seen the German Trekkish folks dancing in the transporter? > > You have now: > [periode1.de](http://www.periode1.de/film/periode1/showroom/html/small.php?periode=1068422616) You are a marvel. You are scary. I love this. I want to see this film. It needs subtitles. I _really_ want to see this movie! Thanks for sharing, once again! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/74 "2004-05-22T05:31:33Z")
Were there any cows in this one? We need more cows in space like _FireFly_ did. _please have cows, please have cows, please have cows, please have cows…_ ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/75 "2004-05-22T05:56:58Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > 😕 > > They were going to kill it a year ago, until the new arc and the “save the show” campaigns came along. And if we have to spend another season taking out ads, making bumper stickers and t shirts, emailing, faxing, phoning, postcard-and-letter-sending, then that is what we will do. > UPN’s own Dawn Ostroff stated that the outpouring of support from fans was influential in regard to their decision. > I won’t stop until we get a fifth season, and a sixth and seventh. > And dat’s dat. I’m thoroughly convinced that the move from Friday is nothing more than a step to justify their eventual cancellation of the series. “Look! It’s lost EVEN MORE viewers! Cancel it… it sucks”. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I dunno, I’d be for dumping Enterprise and starting Star Trek: Maquis. > Steal the Firefly concept, and have a Serenity like crew trying to make a more or less dishonest living among the Federation, the Cardasians and the Maquis. > Minus River and her Menarche Mysticism. > Perhaps a Garak character hiding out from both sides. Ensign Ro would be cool. > Keep Mal, the pilot and Wife. Oh, and Jane. Gotta keep Jane. > One of Dr. Sung’s androids, hiding from everyone who think him to be human. And listen to fans bitch about the blatant theft of another cult favorite’s storyline? No thanks… we get that enough from all the B5 fanboys. > [@elf6c](#): > > A series focused on the Klingons, who by far are the most interesting race- maybe focusing on the time of Kayless or the maybe Klingon-Romulan Wars. Lots of fights, lots of starship battles, lots of political intregue, lots of bloody weapons, lusty drunken singing, scene chewing actors. . . it can’t miss! …except that TNG, DS9, and VOY already beat us over the head with the Klingon culture which, despite your claims, was never cool or all that interesting. They’re nothing more than Vikings in space. If you want a series focusing on a truly interesting non-Federation species, focus on the Romulans or Cardassians. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/76 "2004-05-22T07:04:56Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > Why not, indeed? 😉 > You are a marvel. You are scary. > > I love this. I want to see this film. It needs subtitles. I _really_ want to see this movie! Thanks for sharing, once again! Want to tell me what’s up with Rand’s hair? > **[5YearMission.com is for sale | HugeDomains](https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=5yearmission&e=com)** > > Get full access to this domain. Easy, seamless transactions. Zero percent financing available. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/77 "2004-05-22T17:06:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I dunno, I’d be for dumping Enterprise and starting Star Trek: Maquis. I’m voting for **Star Trek: Section 31** I want to see the less scrupulous side of the Federation in action. Bring back William Sadler. And in a totally unrelated thought (thinking about where the last Trek shows/movies ended up), how the hell does Janeway suddenly become Admiral Janeway by the time Nemesis takes place, while Picard is still a lowly captain? He’s been out there captaining the flagship of the fleet for ages, and doing a bang-up job of it… while she gets a brand new ship and gets lost for 7 years on her first spin around the block in it… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/78 "2004-05-22T17:16:40Z")
She’s sleeping with the Federation President. No sex, just sleeping. Seems the new pres is from a planet with a CO[sup]2[/sup] rich atmosphere and geological instability. Her snoring and night jabbering makes him feel more at home. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/79 "2004-05-22T19:26:34Z")
More seriously, she spent seven years exploring a new Quadrant and brought back priceless technological and cultural information when she brought back her ship. Picard blew his up. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/80 "2004-05-22T20:16:06Z")
> [@](#): > > They’re nothing more than Vikings in space. You say that like its _bad_. As Star Trek: Nemisis showed us, focusing on the Romulans for too long leads to boredom. Klingons on the other hand give off that whole “Pirates of the Carribeen in Space” theme which is much more fun. Some of the best TNG or DS9 episodes dealt with the Klingons. As for the Cardassians, they are the truly played out story, especially after DS:9- so I am a bit puzzled by your argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005.md?page=5)