# ST: Enterprise "Countdown" Ep. 3x23 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005 "2004-05-19T18:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/81 "2004-05-22T20:32:27Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Want to tell me what’s up with Rand’s hair? > [5YearMission.com is for sale | HugeDomains](http://www.5yearmission.com/STNV_WEB_files/cast.htm) My gosh, where do you find these links? You’re a bottomless pit of links, aren’t you? 😉 As for what’s wrong with her hair, it looks like a rope or something. Troubling . . . ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/82 "2004-05-22T20:38:39Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > More seriously, she spent seven years exploring a new Quadrant and brought back priceless technological and cultural information when she brought back her ship. > > Picard blew his up. Well, actually Riker blew it up. Picard went down to a planet surface for a few minutes, and left Riker the keys. Didn’t realize Riker’s license had recently been suspended for DWFAD (Driving While Fantasizing About Deanna). > [@](#): > > from _elf6c_ > As Star Trek: Nemisis showed us, focusing on the Romulans for too long leads to boredom. Nemesis didn’t really focus on Romulans much at all – it focused on the Remans, since the main Rommies were “mostly dead” (as opposed to “all dead”, when you look through their pockets for loose change…) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/83 "2004-05-22T20:50:36Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > My gosh, where do you find these links? That one fellates with great allacrity. I downloaded it some time ago,and it bites. It is the dumbest thing I ever saw, except maybe some Star Wars fan thing on the same site. Put that puppy in your hosts file baby. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/84 "2004-05-22T21:06:12Z")
I never watched this one, though I did see the Exeter business after **Linus** burned it. I think I prefer the German one even though I can’t make out most of the lingo. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/85 "2004-05-22T21:17:30Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I never watched this one, Fine, _now_ you say that, after luring hundreds, nay, thousands of Trek Dopers to a horrible fate with the allacrity of Westley Chrusher to a Maxim magazine. Shame. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/86 "2004-05-22T21:29:48Z")
> [@elf6c](#): > > You say that like its _bad_. It is. My user name and the mythology it comes from aside, most things relating to Viking culture is boring. Granted, they were centuries ahead of Europe-Proper in seafaring but they used that technology to rape, pillage, and murder. Fun stuff. When you take that, take out the cool mythos surrounding it, make them even more brutish and boorish, and then focus every third episode on them for ten or more years, it gets just a tad bit tiring. > [@elf6c](#): > > As Star Trek: Nemisis showed us, focusing on the Romulans for too long leads to boredom. No, what Star Trek: Nemesis showed is that you don’t take an established race and then fuck them over by focusing the plotline on their alien serfs and their cloned leader, that isn’t either of the species. As \*\*Monstre \*\* said, Nemesis had very little to do with the Romulans. > [@elf6c](#): > > Klingons on the other hand give off that whole “Pirates of the Carribeen in Space” theme which is much more fun. If you like mindless and one-dimensional characters, sure. Don’t mistake the whole “honor” thing as character development. It’s nothing more than a cheap template for writers to crank out more generic chest-thumping Klingon warrirors without actually giving them distinctive personalities. > [@elf6c](#): > > Some of the best TNG or DS9 episodes dealt with the Klingons. As for the Cardassians, they are the truly played out story, especially after DS:9- so I am a bit puzzled by your argument. Can you name a few? I can think of no Klingon episode off the top of my head, other than “Blood Oath” that I would consider especially good. I can name at least a dozen Cardassian ones though. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/87 "2004-05-22T21:50:10Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Can you name a few? The development of Martok throughout DS 9 comes to mind, as does the relationship of Gowron and Worf throughout TNG and DS9. _The Ship_ wasn’t about Klingons in particular, but Worf and Klingon culture vs. O’Brien was good. Klingon courtship: the male reads poetry to the female while she throws furniture at him. Come on now, how can you beat that unless it’s Garak or Gul Dukat? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/88 "2004-05-22T21:56:44Z")
I’ve not seen “The Ship” unless it’s the episode where Worf is prosecuted by a Klingon lawyer for one reason or another. I don’t remember being impressed with it at the time if it’s the one you’re referring to but will have to watch it again sometime… probably in six months or so, if I get the season sets for my birthday and Christmas like I am hoping. Martok/Worf was interesting, I’ll grant you, and so was Worf/Alexander in DS9 when he grew up but everything else, especially Worf/K’ehylar, Duras, Lursa and B’Etor, Worf/Gowron, and anything involving Alexander in TNG was horrid. On the other hand, almost everything involving Dukat, Damar, Garak, Tain, Ziyal, and even the one timers like the Butcher of Gallitep were pure gold. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/89 "2004-05-22T22:08:25Z")
_The Ship_ (if I have the title right) concerns the effort of Sisko, WOrf, O’Brien and others to capture and hold a downed Jem’Hadar ship. I though Zial (sp) was pushing it. I got very tired of Kira and her Cardassian issues. 🙂 I forgot Damar. Excellent role. His character ended up as I wanted Dukat. I was dissapointed with the fates of Dukat and Sisko. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/90 "2004-05-22T22:16:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Fine, _now_ you say that, after luring hundreds, nay, thousands of Trek Dopers to a horrible fate with the allacrity of Westley Chrusher to a Maxim magazine. > > Shame. > 🙂 😃 It could be worse. “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” --Hamlet “There’s more bizarre crap n’ stuff in My Favorites than you’d ever want to know.” – **viva** ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/91 "2004-05-22T22:20:14Z")
Well, blow me sideways, I just realized that I’ll be on vacation on Wednesday May 26 and will have to leave a tape in the VCR. Sheesh. If I’m not out gallivanting around, I’ll watch “Zero Hour” in my bed n’ breakfast room and be back to post on Friday night. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/92 "2004-05-22T22:20:32Z")
_Now_ she sompares herself to the Bard. Probably reads him in the original Klingon. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/93 "2004-05-22T23:27:38Z")
Sompare and sontrast? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/94 "2004-05-22T23:45:07Z")
Eviscerated with mine own batlith. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/95 "2004-05-23T03:48:49Z")
Just in case **yosemite** or anyone else here needs something to do for the weekend: [Dodge the Boogers!](http://www.pilkey.com/bionicboogerboy.php) ---
**Author:** ![the\_Lady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@the\_Lady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_Lady)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/96 "2004-05-23T03:57:49Z")
Can I have a series about the timeship Relativity? They can go visit everyone we love, and love to hate. It wouldn’t have a series arc, most likely- so it could be watched by all those who have the attention span of a 2 year old who has just consumed 3 litres of Kool-Aid. And where else could you see Seven and T’Pol wrestling in pudding? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/97 "2004-05-24T14:05:47Z")
Sounds like someone needs to wallow thru our last Summer’s threads about the perfect Trek and other ideas. Someone find the links, will you? I finally got to see this one on the Sunday rerun, and I must say I liked it. It also makes the previous gel a little better. Like the _Back to the Future_ movies, these last three eps must be viewed together. They are the least stand lone eps of this entire series and SIII arc. But, it all works. Most of what I was going comment on has already been said, I see upon wallowing through all y’all’s tripe. [winky wink] Except for one thing: Jolene’s acting. I’m noticing subtle little hints about her handling the emotional onslaught. She is fidgety. Even when discussing things while working controls, which is something she was doing seamlessly before the emotions. Now, she can’t hold still. She’s uncomfortable in her own skin and feels like everyone is watching her now. Plus, her expression sometimes wavers between pouting and a twitching and a little hint of a smile (see **Cervaise**?) She’ll collapse in sobs and giggles soon, I’m sure. Whether it’s writing, directing, or acting, I approve this T’Pol. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/98 "2004-05-24T15:56:56Z")
I’ve noticed it too. In one scene, I can’t remember which, someone made eye contact with her and she glanced down, as if self-conscious of herself and I really don’t know what to make of it. On the one hand, in light of her addiction to Terrellium-D, all of this makes sense and it shows some nuanced acting from Jolene Blalock but on the other, she’s **always** been emotional, which I hate and feel that this current storyline is nothing more than some sort of retcon for the character. Plus, the one interview I saw Blalock in, I didn’t like. She’s annoying. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/99 "2004-05-24T16:22:41Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Sounds like someone needs to wallow thru our last Summer’s threads about the perfect Trek and other ideas. Someone find the links, will you? > **[Next Star Trek Movie Ideas](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=218249)** > > I know that this has been done before, but rather than bumping up an old thread, I figured I’d start a new one. Here’s my idea for the next one: Star Trek: The Wrath of Montalban It opens at a Star Trek convention hosting the surviving members of... > **[So Star Trek "Enterprise Sucks." Could you do better?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=209478)** > > The Board seems to have lots of Trekkies/Trekkers, many of them very displeased with various incarnations of Star Trek, be it TOS, TNG, DSN, STV, the half dozen or so motion pictures and, most recently, “Enterprise.” “Enterprise” especially seems to... > **[A (possible) 6th Trek series....](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=198846)** > > It’s all speculation, but…would you want to watch a TOS remake? http://www.trektoday.com/news/170703\_01.shtml I don’t think I’d want to. > **[The perfect Star Trek](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=191999)** > > First off, let’s get one reply out of the way: “The perfect Trek is NO Trek!” Yeah, we’ve all heard your crap, if you’re not a fan (or at least someone who has seen and enjoyed a few shows here and there) then try and avoid posting here, K? That... > **[All Trek, All the time](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=166154)** > > Suppose you had an enourmous TV budget. And you had complete final say. How would you relight the Star Trek franchise? I’m talking about a new show. But, here’s the twist, you have access to all of the characters from any Trek. Plus, any you care to... > **[Ideas for enterprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=168165)** > > (please remember that I am one season behind you guys). I like Enterprise but I am offended because it had the potential to become the coolest Star Trek show. Unfortunately all that potential is many times wasted in absurd episodes. Therefore let’s... > **[Star Trek Story You'd Like To See](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=166688)** > > I’m not much of a writer. I come up with ideas all the time though. Sometimes, it seems all I’ve got in my head is story ideas of varying quality. Here’s an idea for a Deep Space Nine story I’d like to see. (Probably in the form of a DS9 novel since... > **[Trek Dopers, what would you include in an R rated Star Trek?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=159066)** > > How about letting Worf go beserker on people? That would be nice. Or Picard becomming inexplicably foul mouthed? “Make it fucking so, you bastard twit helmsman!” Vulcanian full frontal nudity? (special TOS word there, you know?) What else on a... Not sure if all these qualify since I am on dial up and am thus bogged down but judging from the titles, all these are the threads where we write Trek ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005/100 "2004-05-24T17:00:39Z")
\>I can think of no Klingon episode off the top of my head, other than “Blood \>Oath” that I would consider especially good. What about “The Way of the Warrior”? Or (though it’s only half Klingon-themed “Looking for Par’Mach in All the Wrong Places”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-enterprise-countdown-ep-3x23-spoilers/246005.md?page=6)