# St. Louis fans you are not God's gift to baseball **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649 "2006-07-23T00:06:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/81 "2006-07-25T16:26:08Z")
> [@Mellivora capensis](#): > > What is “baseball”? The sport the South Africans almost beat the Canadians at back in March. (That was one of the best games of the WBC.) Proof that Cardinal fans aren’t as bad as Phillies fans: we never threw batteries at J.D. Drew, and we had a lot more reason to than they did. ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/82 "2006-07-25T16:45:32Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > The sport the South Africans almost beat the Canadians at back in March. (That was one of the best games of the WBC.) Well I’ve certainly learned something today. My question was tongue-in-cheek, but I didn’t know we even _had_ a baseball team, what with all the emphasis on soccer, cricket and that other game played with a ball that bounces funny. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/83 "2006-07-25T17:00:43Z")
> [@Mellivora capensis](#): > > Well I’ve certainly learned something today. My question was tongue-in-cheek, but I didn’t know we even _had_ a baseball team, what with all the emphasis on soccer, cricket and that other game played with a ball that bounces funny. > > 😃 I wouldn’t expect a lot from them: you had a couple of high schoolers pitching for you. And you got mercy ruled 17-0 in 5 innings against the United States. [http://ww2.worldbaseballclassic.com/2006/news/recap.jsp?ymd=20060308&content\_id=1339751&gameid=2006\_03\_07\_canint\_rsaint\_1&sid=wbc](http://ww2.worldbaseballclassic.com/2006/news/recap.jsp?ymd=20060308&content_id=1339751&gameid=2006_03_07_canint_rsaint_1&sid=wbc) ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/84 "2006-07-25T18:39:52Z")
Actually, Jim’s a little off the mark; baseball is actually cricket with a needleful of sense shot into it. > [@Mellivora capensis](#): > > Well I’ve certainly learned something today. My question was tongue-in-cheek, but I didn’t know we even had a baseball team, what with all the emphasis on soccer, cricket and that other game played with a ball that bounces funny. Er…what’s that other game played with a ball that bounces funny? And BTW do you call it soccer over there? ---
**Author:** ![spazattak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@spazattak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazattak)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/85 "2006-07-25T21:11:11Z")
> [@](#): > > St. Louis fans you are not God’s gift to baseball In a sense you’re right. If there was one [a god] though, we would be. ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/86 "2006-07-25T22:51:20Z")
> [@](#): > > **Hentor** wrote: > I’m really perplexed by this attitude. I think it’s nothing more than an attempt to undermine the relevance of my experiences to the thread at hand. However, if it isn’t, please take a spin around the boards and let me know how often you see a follow up to an OP that is basically along the lines of “Yes. I agree with the OP and this is why.” What you’re saying is that I shot my load the one time, and any time in the future that someone else brings up the topic, I better stay mum or I’ll look like I have a fixation. _I’m_ perplexed by your continued insistence that several million people are “cunts” based on the experiences of one person. But I will concede the point that you have every right to come into this thread and agree with the OP. Just as I have every right to come into the same thread and say you’re being ridiculous. You may not have a fixation, but the attitude itself is idiotic. It’s the virulence of your statements and the miles-wide brush you paint with that makes it disturbing. Also, the willingness to dismiss and entire city of people. It’s ludicrous and childish. > [@](#): > > Okay, never mind. Strike my comments, and then you can just tell BobT that he had the unfortunate experience of running into the only offensive Cardinal fan. Childish indeed. Sad, really. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/87 "2006-07-26T01:33:01Z")
> [@Pixiesnix](#): > > _I’m_ perplexed by your continued insistence that several million people are “cunts” based on the experiences of one person. But I will concede the point that you have every right to come into this thread and agree with the OP. Just as I have every right to come into the same thread and say you’re being ridiculous. You may not have a fixation, but the attitude itself is idiotic. What is wrong with you people? When I say I’ve had scads of experiences relevant to the matter, you or dooku come back with “you’ve only had [1].” When I say that every so often, some cunt reminds me about Cardinals fans, you cry “Why are you calling us all cunts!” If you’ve got a reasonable point to make, there’s no need to go misrepresenting what I’ve said to make it. Okay, for the cognitively sluggish: I’ve never suggested that all Cardinals fans are cunts, or even boors. I’ve pointed out that I lived in St. Louis for 17 years, a weath of experience upon which to draw, and I can attest to the fact that St. Louis fans are neither God’s gift to baseball, nor are they particularly kind or good natured, nor are they especially knowledgeable. > [@](#): > > It’s the virulence of your statements and the miles-wide brush you paint with that makes it disturbing. Also, the willingness to dismiss and entire city of people. It’s ludicrous and childish. I have alluded to the nature of the breadth of experiences I had across the board there. If you find these incidents acceptable, you will not understand my feelings about St. Louis, nor about its sports fans, no matter how many times you suggest that I am childish for having them or for expressing them. I love me some Lion’s Choice, though. Now that’s one good thing about St. Louis. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/88 "2006-07-26T02:33:10Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > Hockey has done surprisingly well over the years, considering, but since around 2001 people have cared even less about it and our minor-league team just folded. The Gulls folded? No way- they were the best ticket in town when I lived in SD (near UTC)! I saw them play the team formerly known as the Russian Red Army- great game, and the first live hockey game my mom ever went to! She loved it too. The Gulls rocked- besides, who else would have let Lonnie Loach play so long past his prime? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/89 "2006-07-26T03:27:54Z")
> [@](#): > > **Hentor** wrote: > Okay, for the cognitively sluggish: I’ve never suggested that all Cardinals fans are cunts, or even boors. Cardinals fans, no. St. Louisans, yes. In this very thread, as a matter of fact. > [@](#): > > **Hentor wrote:** > If St. Louisans would quit being cunts, I might have some time to rethink things. But folks like you just have to keep doing shit to prove me right. Your own words. Hardly misrepresentation. Not _some_ St. Louisans, not St. Louisans who are Cardinals fans. Just St. Louisans, period. So yes, you called me a cunt. You called **Dooku** a cunt. You called my friends cunts. You called my family cunts. Surely you can see how this would be upsetting. > [@](#): > > **Hentor** wrote: > I have alluded to the nature of the breadth of experiences I had across the board there. If you find these incidents acceptable, you will not understand my feelings about St. Louis, nor about its sports fans, no matter how many times you suggest that I am childish for having them or for expressing them. I don’t recall saying your experiences were acceptable. In fact, I clearly remember saying I was sorry you had them. But Dooku made an excellent point, which bears repeating. > [@](#): > > **Dooku** wrote: > There’s no amount of times that would happen in which I would feel justified in thinking there’s something wrong with ALL Cards fans, let alone ALL St. Louisans. That’s kinda been my point here - you know, that’s it’s beyond silly for you to write us all off based on these few bad experiences. Even he said you had experienc **es** , not just one. We’re being quite reasonable, here. But I see **Dooku** has quit trying to talk sense into you, and I will, too. Actually, you’re doing the city a favor with your attitude. The less you’re in the city, the richer the city is for it. ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/90 "2006-07-26T03:52:49Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > The sport the South Africans almost beat the Canadians at back in March. (That was one of the best games of the WBC.) > > Proof that Cardinal fans aren’t as bad as Phillies fans: we never threw batteries at J.D. Drew, and we had a lot more reason to than they did. Hey, it was only one battery…maybe a few spark plugs. And we also booed Santa, threw snowballs at Jimmy Johnson\*, and killed Jesus. At least according to ESPN. \*The first snowball reportedly thrown by future Mayor and Pennsylvania Governor, Ed Rendell. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/91 "2006-07-26T04:14:29Z")
> [@Pixiesnix](#): > > Even he said you had experiences, not just one. We’re being quite reasonable, here. > > But I see **Dooku** has quit trying to talk sense into you, and I will, too. Actually, you’re doing the city a favor with your attitude. The less you’re in the city, the richer the city is for it. Jesus. I wonder what would happen if _two_ people on the internet happened to express a strong dislike for St. Louis. ---
**Author:** ![Tazmanian\_Devil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@Tazmanian\_Devil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tazmanian_Devil)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/92 "2006-07-26T13:18:44Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > The Gulls folded? No way- they were the best ticket in town when I lived in SD (near UTC)! I saw them play the team formerly known as the Russian Red Army- great game, and the first live hockey game my mom ever went to! She loved it too. > > The Gulls rocked- besides, who else would have let Lonnie Loach play so long past his prime? 😉 [The Missouri River Otters did…](http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=00000718) And they just folded in the UHL this summer. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/93 "2006-07-26T16:44:09Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > What is wrong with you people? When I say I’ve had scads of experiences relevant to the matter, you or dooku come back with “you’ve only had [1].” When I say that every so often, some cunt reminds me about Cardinals fans, you cry “Why are you calling us all cunts!” If you’ve got a reasonable point to make, there’s no need to go misrepresenting what I’ve said to make it. Misrepresenting, eh? You didn’t answer my earlier question. Let me repeat it: > [@Dooku](#): > > Well earlier in this very thread you admitted to having a limited sample, and now you’re saying it’s a lifetime. Which is it? Sounds like you’re doing a fine job in the misrepresenting department. Oh, and while we’re here: > [@Dooku](#): > > Why bring up the “Kendall sucks” guy over and over again if you have a lifetime of incidents from which to choose? To take that further - if you have this lifetime of incidents, is the “Kendall sucks” one really the best you can do? It must be, since you seem compelled to keep bringing it up as your #1 example. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Jesus. I wonder what would happen if two people on the internet happened to express a strong dislike for St. Louis. Yeah. That’s the problem here - that you dislike St. Louis. Not that you’re writing off an entire fan base - ANY fan base - due to a small collection of----you know, why do I bother typing this again? Forget it, **Pixiesnix**. Let’s just consider him a stupid disingenuous fucking idiot and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/94 "2006-07-26T17:33:46Z")
> [@Dooku](#): > > Misrepresenting, eh? You didn’t answer my earlier question. Let me repeat it: Likewise, I’m not sure it’s worth it to persist, but just for shits and grins: My experiences represent a limited sample, because I am one person, and I am completely open to the possibility that I somehow have a little black raincloud following me around in regards to my interactions with St. Louisans. However, I’m not drawing my own conclusions about my experiences from one event, or two events, but from having lived and grown up in St. Louis. It really shouldn’t be that very difficult to comprehend the difference between my experiences being limited relative to the universe of people x St. Louis interactions, while I have a large number of referents to form my own conclusion. To analogize for the dimwitted: A man might say that it never rains because in 56 years of living, he has seen rain only on 5 occasions. However, he reflects a limited sample because there are many, many people in the world who have a range of different numbers of “rain days.” Got it yet, slick? > [@](#): > > To take that further - if you have this lifetime of incidents, is the “Kendall sucks” one really the best you can do? It must be, since you seem compelled to keep bringing it up as your #1 example. Jesus H. How many different sports incidents have I mentioned, yet you keep claiming this is all I have? I’ve got a bunch: my oft repeated brothers’ experiences, school yard fights, arguments, the years of whining about Don Denkenger, the whining about Keith Hernandez “having” to share the MVP award with Willie Stargell, the “you dumb as a box of rocks” woman, the time when the fans booed Terry Bradshaw because he came back into a game after leaving with an injury earlier in the game… I could go on, but it seems like you would keep claiming that the Kendall sucks guy is it, or if I mention him again, you’d claim I was fixated on him. You’re really just being intentionally obtuse, at this point, aren’t you? > [@](#): > > Yeah. That’s the problem here - that you dislike St. Louis. Not that you’re writing off an entire fan base - ANY fan base - due to a small collection of----you know, why do I bother typing this again? > > Forget it, **Pixiesnix**. Let’s just consider him a stupid disingenuous fucking idiot and move on. Yes, my problem is that I dislike St. Louis. Why this should send you into hyperdefensive conniptions I have no idea - except that you’re from St. Louis, land of the hyperdefensive conniption. (Do you know that people there are often surprised that I don’t really think that Budweiser and Busch beers are all that good?) I can guarantee you that there exist more people out there who really hate St. Louis. I know this must be overwhelmingly stressful to you. Perhaps you should just go lie down. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/95 "2006-07-26T17:58:02Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > You’re really just being intentionally obtuse, at this point, aren’t you? AAAARGH!!! > [@](#): > > Yes, my problem is that I dislike St. Louis. Why this should send you into hyperdefensive conniptions I have no idea - except that you’re from St. Louis, land of the hyperdefensive conniption. (Do you know that people there are often surprised that I don’t really think that Budweiser and Busch beers are all that good?) > > I can guarantee you that there exist more people out there who really hate St. Louis. I know this must be overwhelmingly stressful to you. Perhaps you should just go lie down. NO, goddammit, it’s that you’re condemning **all fans based on your limited experiences with a few, colorerd by your bad experience living here!!** It. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. St. Louis. I didn’t like living there much either, which is why I left in 1988. AGAIN: THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Once more: I don’t give a flying fuck if it’s Cards fans, Pirates fans, Raiders fans, Man. U fans, Bearcats fans, whatever - **you’re ignorant for making such a sweeping generalization!** **FUCK!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/96 "2006-07-26T20:41:49Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > The Gulls folded? No way- they were the best ticket in town when I lived in SD (near UTC)! I saw them play the team formerly known as the Russian Red Army- great game, and the first live hockey game my mom ever went to! She loved it too. > > The Gulls rocked- besides, who else would have let Lonnie Loach play so long past his prime? 😉 Yep. I lived in UC, off of Governor right by the 805, BTW. The place was rockin’ every night until the WCHL got eaten up by the ECHL and the Gulls weren’t dominant anymore. After that (2001, 2002ish) the crowds steadily dwindled and the team couldn’t stay profitable anymore. Then the NHL team they were associated with (Colorado, I think) dumped them for the (NHL team) owner’s nephew’s minor league team. Within a few months the team was done. It’s really sad, there was a lot of great history. The first black man to ever play in the NHL, Willie O’Ree, had an illustrious career with the Gulls and currently lives within 10 miles of San Diego, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649/97 "2006-07-27T03:59:08Z")
> [@](#): > > **Dooku** Forget it, Pixiesnix. Let’s just consider him a stupid disingenuous fucking idiot and move on. We could talk about happier things…did I mention today’s my birthday? :shameless self-promotion: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-louis-fans-you-are-not-gods-gift-to-baseball/365649.md?page=4)