# ST: Voyager: what were the best and worst episodes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 8, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969 "2010-11-08T22:48:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/21 "2010-11-09T12:49:57Z")
Generally… Good: the Doctor, Seven, Borg Queen Bad: Neelix, Chakotay, Kes (unless possesed by an alien dictator and strutting round in a leather cat suit) frakking Fair Haven Personal faves _Future’s End_ (the one with Sarah Silverman), _Counterpoint_ unusually subtle (though I’ve forgotten the exact plot I think there’s a double bluff or something) Cable channel One/Virgin is running series five at the moment and there’s been a run of decent episodes - _Thirty Days, Counterpoint, Bride of Chaotica, Gravity_ Alongside that they are also showing series one of TNG a lot of which is just plain embarassing. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/22 "2010-11-09T12:59:53Z")
I liked the second season episode [The Thaw](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thaw_%28Star_Trek:_Voyager%29). That was the one with the cryogenically frozen aliens and the Evil Clown; creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Lungfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d78d45/32.png) [@Lungfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lungfish)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/23 "2010-11-09T15:01:34Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > TVTropes says that, but I haven’t found the episode where it happens, and Memory Alpha seems to be silent on the issue. The Season 2 episode is called [Threshold](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_%28Star_Trek:_Voyager%29). Best: Distant Orgin. Worst: 11.59. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/24 "2010-11-09T15:10:10Z")
> [@Small\_Clanger](#): > > Kes (unless possesed by an alien dictator and strutting round in a leather cat suit) Which one was this? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lungfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d78d45/32.png) [@Lungfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lungfish)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/25 "2010-11-09T15:24:04Z")
> [@Small\_Clanger](#): > > Kes (unless possesed by an alien dictator and strutting round in a leather cat suit) > [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Which one was this? 😃 [Warlord](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_%28Voyager_episode%29) from Season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/26 "2010-11-09T15:24:07Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Which one was this? 😃 Probably _Warlord_. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/27 "2010-11-09T15:45:11Z")
I think it was called _The Bus That Couldn’t Slow Down_… or [Warlord](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NX_gT0MG1E&feature=related) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/28 "2010-11-09T16:28:58Z")
Honorable mention for worst goes to any episode involving Janeway’s holodeck Gothic Romance novel. You have the first alpha-role female captain in the franchise and you make her hobby pretending to be a Regency-era Mary Poppins? ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/29 "2010-11-09T16:43:05Z")
I agree - easily the best was Year in Hell, and easily the worst was the slug-breeding Chakot… nah, I can’t even type it out in full, the whole thing’s just so disgusting. The Tvix episode is up there with the worst, but that’s mainly because Neelix was in it so much. Also, I hated that there was always so much emphasis on getting Tuvok to be emotional; he’s a bloody Vulcan, let him be! Any Seven-centred episodes seemed to bring out the best in the writers. I liked the one where she decided to date Harry Kim. Damn, that show wasted some great potential. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/30 "2010-11-09T18:59:55Z")
“Tuvix,” “Ressitance,” and “Jetrel” are among my favorites. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/31 "2010-11-09T20:03:50Z")
I watched Death Wish today. Overall I liked it, but now I can see why people seem to hate Janeway. Not only was she still in the Delta Quadrant, but she now had a dead Q in sickbay. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/32 "2010-11-09T20:19:34Z")
A lot of fans wanted to keep the Tuvix character and dump Neelix/Tuvok. He was actually more interesting. I personally have issues with the decision to terminate/murder Tuvix. Like it or not he was a distinict individual. A new life created by an accident. I’m not sure it was right to kill him to “save” Neelix/Tuvok. One of my least favorite Janeway moments. > [@Dr.Rieux](#): > > “Tuvix,” “Ressitance,” and “Jetrel” are among my favorites. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/33 "2010-11-10T15:54:20Z")
Loved the one where the Doctor begins hallucinating - especially the start. Loved Tuvix - Janeway as implacable evil. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/34 "2010-11-10T16:19:01Z")
Hard to judge because I admit I largely lost interest by s03, but I’ve caught most of the others in syndication. Best: \*Tuvix, Year of Hell, Meld, \* and the two-part season finale to s02. (I can’t believe it’s been cited as one of the worst up above! Brad Dourif’s performance when, after finding peace from his homicidal instincts, he’s forced to kill again? _Heartbreaking_.) Writer Michael Piller’s leaving was a big loss to the show, I think. Worst: Oh, I dunno, too many to judge. Let’s say _Threshold_ or the Earhardt one or Janeway’s romps with Leonardo da-freakin’-Vinci. OH or what about the one where Janeway tortures that prisoner? She was particularly vile in that ep (but what else is new). Really you can take your pick. It’s hard to care about episodes when you don’t care about the characters, and I didn’t. I grew to hate Janeway so very very much, and was bored by the Seven of Nine / Doctor show, and the other characters like Torres and Chakotay were nothing but meh from the get-go. Torres just felt like a wannabe Ro / Kira. Paris was marginally interesting, especially when going undercover as a would-be mole during the Seska arc, but in general the character writing on the show was so phlegmatic that I just couldn’t give a damn about any of the main cast, except for the Doctor and Kes. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/35 "2010-11-10T16:27:31Z")
I liked “The Voyager Conspiracy”, where Seven of Nine goes crazy and comes up with this elaborate conspiracy theory about Voyager, and “Pathfinder”, because, hey, Barclay. I also liked Jetrel, which was one of the few Neelix episodes I liked. I also liked Nothing Human, even though it was really more of a DS9 episode. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/36 "2010-11-10T16:30:05Z")
[Best Ever](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course:_Oblivion_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)) The ship and crew start disolving for a great WTF reason 2nd Place: Anything with Vidiians Worst: Episodes featuring Kate Colombo as a space captain (i.e. most of them) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/37 "2010-11-10T16:38:23Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > [Best Ever](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course:_Oblivion_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)) The ship and crew start disolving for a great WTF reason Agreed, this was excellent - the show was always at its best when it went dark, and this was very dark indeed. People who basically _were_ the crew of Voyager dying, in pain and afraid, very far from home - it was precisely the worst fear of the “original” Voyager crew made real. It was also fantastic in that it was a case where a decision Janeway had made - to allow her crew to be duplicated - turned out to have absolutely horrible consequences, and _she never even knew it_. Janeway was, in many ways, a very bad CO, and occasionally the show flirted with letting us know that. > [@Laudenum](#): > > Loved Tuvix - Janeway as implacable evil. Agreed. The Federation is a society without the death penalty, and here is Janeway sending a Security team to march an innocent man to his death. The thing that adds a layer of tragedy to the horror is that the innocent man is also a genuinely good guy - he understands the calculus that Janeway is making, and part of him even agrees with it, but he still wants to live. So he walks to his death with a modicum of dignity, but he’s still frightened and saddened by the last walk. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/38 "2010-11-10T17:00:26Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Agreed, this was excellent - the show was always at its best when it went dark, and this was very dark indeed. People who basically _were_ the crew of Voyager dying, in pain and afraid, very far from home - it was precisely the worst fear of the “original” Voyager crew made real. > > It was also fantastic in that it was a case where a decision Janeway had made - to allow her crew to be duplicated - turned out to have absolutely horrible consequences, and _she never even knew it_. Janeway was, in many ways, a very bad CO, and occasionally the show flirted with letting us know that. And the end. IIRC it was something like the real Voyager noting some debris and was like “Fuck it. Not important.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/39 "2010-11-10T17:44:36Z")
> [@choie](#): > > the two-part season finale to s02. (I can’t believe it’s been cited as one of the worst up above! Brad Dourif’s performance when, after finding peace from his homicidal instincts, he’s forced to kill again? _Heartbreaking_.) I agree. It also included the great line, “I’m a Doctor, not a counter insurgent!” And I’ll remind y’all that folks who hate Janeway have issues with their Mothers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969/40 "2010-11-11T01:28:26Z")
> [@LorieSmurf](#): > > That’s the episode I thought about when I read the thread title. In fact, when I saw the episode itself, I thought “This is the worst Voyager episode ever!” Just Voyager? If someone told me there’s a worse episode of any other Star Trek series, I’d call him a damned dirty liar. Even that TOS ep with the space hippies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/st-voyager-what-were-the-best-and-worst-episodes/559969.md?page=3)