# Stan Shmenge, please don't do this to your fellow conservatives. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098 "2009-01-06T16:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/81 "2009-01-07T17:13:57Z")
**Sarah** , m’dear, I fear you are distracting us from friend\*\* Liberal\*\*'s ever-fascinating discourse. Until now, I had hardly considered these rarefied heights, where existentialism bumps up against political science. Admittedly, these weeds are a bit thick for a country boy such as myself, but I am nonetheless enthralled. Such exotic issues are raised! What of the soul, for instance? Does it possess the body, or does the body possess the soul? And _karma_? Might a citizen petition the legislature to relieve one of the onerous burden of past lives, on the basis of _ultra ex post facto_? Or is this a strictly private matter, to be discussed with the existentialist adviser of one’s choice? I am sure you are within your rights as the OP, but that brings up other questions to resolve. Is the thread your “possession”, like your tea-cozy, or is it an independent agent, like your cat? How does that reflect on your confessed conservatism? And do you hate Von Mises to pieces? Or have you been, as I, blissfully ignorant of his existence, and entirely content to remain so? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/82 "2009-01-07T17:19:58Z")
Oh dear god, does my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/83 "2009-01-07T17:22:59Z")
Chamomile tea and a bong hit, never fails. Consult your local hippy. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/84 "2009-01-07T17:29:25Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Oh dear god, does my head hurt. His post did that to you to? I thought it was just me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/85 "2009-01-07T17:54:34Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > He’s not talking about an inherent dignity, but a magisterial dignity. No he isn’t. He’s saying that the idea of the dignity of man comes from the ideas that…“All men are created equal.” “Government by consent of the governed.” “Give me liberty or give me death.” …in other words, that respect for the dignity of man is a fundamental American principle that derives from our humanity, and that to deny human dignity, to deny equal rights, is not only unconstitutional, it’s a betrayal of our values. > [@](#): > > For heaven’s sake, just look at the Civil Rights Act. Could there be a more dispensative proscription of rights? Frankly, yes. You’re hyperbolizing again. > [@](#): > > The classical conservative believes that rights inhere to the chief magistrates who may then dispense them according to their pleasure. No, the classical conservative believes that rights come from tradition and practice, and even the magistrate doesn’t have the right to take them away. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/86 "2009-01-07T17:58:35Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m glad you posted that because it gives me an opportunity to vent about debating people like you. It’s like Poster A demanding a cite that says Obama advocates a middle class tax cut, and Poster B providing one from Obama himself in which he says, “I’m proposing a middle class tax cut.” > > “But wait!” your kind decries, “Proposing is not the same as advocating!” You can take your mobile goalposts and play with someone else. It’s not goalpost-moving at all. You posted a quote from Mises saying the “progam” of liberalism begins with private ownership of the means of production, **without giving a reason.** Such a “program” could be based on the assumption that people have **rights** in property, or it could be based on the assumption that, **utterly regardless of rights,** an economy in which the means of production are privately owned is more productive or efficient than one in which they are collectively owned; the two have nothing to with each other and either could be true while the other remains false. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/87 "2009-01-07T18:29:51Z")
Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/88 "2009-01-07T18:31:37Z")
Good rebuttal there, **Lib**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/89 "2009-01-07T18:33:45Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Idiot. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/90 "2009-01-07T20:05:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Cite? His post is my cite. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/91 "2009-01-07T20:08:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Chamomile tea and a bong hit, never fails. Consult your local hippy. Could you just send me some of yours? I try to stay away from the hippies in my neighborhood…can’t stand the smell. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/92 "2009-01-07T21:25:04Z")
Hippies don’t bathe? If you’d ever had a hit of window pane and a bubble bath, you’d know how silly that is. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/93 "2009-01-07T22:07:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hippies don’t bathe? If you’d ever had a hit of window pane and a bubble bath, you’d know how silly that is. Who said anything about bathing? I’m talking about the patchouli! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/94 "2009-01-07T23:19:47Z")
Patchouli? _Eau de nark_. Get in close enough, you’ll detect a faint whiff of Old Spice. No, I definitely don’t want to see you starring in “Republican Moms in Cages III”. Got a better idea. Just make a list of the ten people you personally know who you are sure, totally\* sure\*…don’t smoke dope. Ask them for some, going down the list. You’ll connect. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/95 "2009-01-07T23:37:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Patchouli? _Eau de nark_. Get in close enough, you’ll detect a faint whiff of Old Spice. No, I definitely don’t want to see you starring in “Republican Moms in Cages III”. > > Got a better idea. Just make a list of the ten people you personally know who you are sure, totally\* sure\*…don’t smoke dope. Ask them for some, going down the list. You’ll connect. Well, gee, wouldn’t it be easier to start with people I know DO smoke it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/96 "2009-01-08T00:45:52Z")
I suppose. What time do they get home from day-care? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/97 "2009-01-08T03:21:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, I definitely don’t want to see you starring in “Republican Moms in Cages III”. Wait, let’s not be so hasty . . . ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/98 "2009-01-08T07:16:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I knew **Sarahfeena** is conservative (though I know that conservative women can have some tales to tell, and that we all want to hear, if you know what I mean 😉 ), I can understand why eBay sellers might like to make enough off a sale to pay for the gas to the post office (I buy crappy old computers, bid appropriately, but know shipping costs and typically pay more for shipping than I do for the old shit I buy), and recognize that **Schmenge** is an idiot who could tar all conservatives with the same brush, but does anybody here do that? I assume all conservatives are exactly this way until I know them better. I _love_ Schmenge’s posts because they confirm my pre-conceived notions of what a conservative on-the-street really is. (Note: Pre-conceived notions are prejudices.) The OP is exactly right in her fear. This guy is a cartoon conservative. And I don’t think it is an elaborate ruse either. He really is that way. Or so I imagine. If people tell me that conservatives aren’t “that” way, I now have proof. And I didn’t know he was Happy Wanderer, whose posts I will have to look up to see if they are consistent. Schmenge is a wonderful name. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/99 "2009-01-08T09:04:24Z")
I liked the name **Happy Wanderer**. It made me feel drunk and think of the Expos. **Liberal** , did you say Goldwater was a Liberal? Then why did he write \*\*Conscience of a Conservative? Just trying to fool all of us in 1964? Or was he writing about LBJ? > [@](#): > > **woodstockbirdybird** : Marxist sex is impossible, because nobody can be on top. Hurry up and get to the part about “to each according to her needs.” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098/100 "2009-01-08T09:26:47Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Hurry up and get to the part about “to each according to her needs.” Now _this_ is something I could get behind. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge-please-dont-do-this-to-your-fellow-conservatives/480098.md?page=6)