# Stan Shmenge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323 "2009-03-13T13:30:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/21 "2009-03-13T14:49:56Z")
[And, once again, **Stan** proves he’s an idiot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510171) I mean, really – “Obamunist”? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/22 "2009-03-13T14:50:46Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > To be fair, the Shah wanted medical care, but I don’t know that he got it. And according to Wikipedia (citing the Shah’s own memoir) he was asked to leave the U.S. To which he replied “Shah right! Ayatollah already I’m not leaving so you and Iran can both stop being Khomeinis.” [sub]Thank you thank you. Yes, I know Iraq.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/23 "2009-03-13T14:52:28Z")
Can we ban **Enderw24** yet? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/24 "2009-03-13T14:52:55Z")
[And again . . .](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510172) ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/25 "2009-03-13T14:54:47Z")
> [@Mr.Svinlesha](#): > > Well, the mere idea that the Obama administration is _“steeped in the Marxist left”_ is laughable. I don’t think you know what the Marxist left is. I grew up in Hyde Park. I was surrounded by it. To this day, you can find posters on the community bulletin board (not like this place, but an actual wooden board where people “post” notes printed on paper) outside of the “Co-op” for communist party meetings. Hyde Park and the U of C in general, are Berkeley East and Cambridge West, “Chicago School” economics notwithstanding. I know the crowd Obama came up with, many personally. And if you don’t know what “community activist” is a code-word for, well, dude, you just don’t remember the 60’s! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/26 "2009-03-13T14:57:53Z")
So all community activists are Marxists? ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/27 "2009-03-13T14:59:13Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > Ummm, yes you were. > > You really are an enormous fucking loon. Ummm, no we weren’t. We led the way in almost every area of technology, and still do. Ever heard of Henry Ford? Thomas Edison? For that matter Benjamin Franklin? These guys led the whole world in technological advancement. One of the reasons that old King George had such a hard-on for the colonies is we were outstripping the British at their own game! It wasn’t an Arab Sheik in King Arthur’s court, moron. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/28 "2009-03-13T15:00:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So all community activists are Marxists? Yep, pretty much. I have no problem with that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/29 "2009-03-13T15:08:29Z")
Well, either you don’t know what a community activist is, or you don’t know what Marxism is. Either way, you lack the political chops to comment on either one. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/30 "2009-03-13T15:11:14Z")
Start then by explaining exactly what the tenants of Marxism are, and how the Obama administration’s platform embodies those principles. Be specific. Obviously you don’t have to post a treatise of Marxist thought, but explain in simple, straightforward terms what you think it is, and how Obama’s administration fits into it. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/31 "2009-03-13T15:13:53Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > Can we ban **Enderw24** yet? I didn’t realize there was a time period one had to pass through before it was allowed. And I suppose that, yes, when the SDMB moves towards democracy, you and all the other non-moderators can take a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/32 "2009-03-13T15:14:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Well, either you don’t know what a community activist is, or you don’t know what Marxism is. Either way, you lack the political chops to comment on either one. I will admit that there are rare exceptions to the rule, like my friend Ted Hayes, or Native American activist Russell Means, but the majority of them are basically commies, looking to get their mouth on a nipple of the public teat in the name of some cause they couldn’t care less about. Obama is a prime example, and he rode it all the way. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/33 "2009-03-13T15:17:06Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Ummm, no we weren’t. We led the way in almost every area of technology, and still do. God you’re laughable. Ok, I’ll try again and we’ll take it slow. > [@](#): > > Except that the United States was not a pre technological civilization with no chance of advancement. Yes it was. You may object that it wasn’t the US at the time, or that it might have developed on its own, but the selfsame objections apply to your uniformed and trite drivelling assessments about Persia and Iran. With me yet? > [@](#): > > We did not need to invite foreigners into the country to help us develop beyond the stone age No, you are correct, they weren’t invited. They came anyway, though, and imposed a worldview that they thought was best for all. It’s about time they grew out of it. On second thoughts, most of them have, and I apologise for any offence. **Stan** , however, needs to pull his head out of Coulter’s nethers and learn some history. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/34 "2009-03-13T15:20:32Z")
[QUOTE=Stan Shmenge] I will admit that there are rare exceptions to the rule, like my friend Ted Hayes, or Native American activist Russell Means, but the majority of them are basically commies, looking to get their mouth on a nipple of the public teat in the name of some cause they couldn’t care less about. Obama is a prime example, and he rode it all the way. [/QUOTE] How about such conservative community activists as Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed? Are they all Marxists as well? Not to mention Sarah Palin, proud member of the PTA, perhaps the largest group of community organizers in the country? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/35 "2009-03-13T15:23:02Z")
> [@Mr.Svinlesha](#): > > …tenants of Marxism… _tenets_, unless you mean a building called Marxism [/pedant] ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/36 "2009-03-13T15:23:23Z")
> [@Mr.Svinlesha](#): > > Start then by explaining exactly what the tenants of Marxism are, and how the Obama administration’s platform embodies those principles. > > Be specific. Obviously you don’t have to post a treatise of Marxist thought, but explain in simple, straightforward terms what you think it is, and how Obama’s administration fits into it. Marxism is the ideology that establishes a path whereby the means of production will ultimately be in the hands of the worker. In various forms, notably in the Soviet Union, but to a similar degree in smaller states throughout the world, it has been expressed in totalitarianism that was claimed to be a needed step between the savagery of capitalism and the worker’s paradise. The theory was, that once all were made equal, the state would naturally fade away, leaving a pure state of communism, to the benefit of all. To describe the results of that philosophy as “mixed” would be exceedingly charitable. Obama seeks to bring more and more of our private economy under the aegis of the state. His massive government spending programs will necessarily involve the confiscation of more and more private assets for conversion to the purposes of the state. Therefore, Obama’s policies can accurately be described as Marxist. Any other questions? ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/37 "2009-03-13T15:24:46Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > How about such conservative community activists as Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed? Are they all Marxists as well? Not to mention Sarah Palin, proud member of the PTA, perhaps the largest group of community organizers in the country? I doubt they would call themselves “community activists”. And they are all asshats as well. And the PTA can suck an egg. They are pinko too. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/38 "2009-03-13T15:27:24Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > I stand behind every statement that I have made. Listing a bunch of them without rebuttal does not make an argument. Did you even read the OP? Let’s test your reading comprehension: What, in your own words, did **Rhythmdvl** criticize you for? ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/39 "2009-03-13T15:32:29Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > u may object that it wasn’t the US at the time, or that it might have developed on its own, Wrong. The fact that we were beating the British (the previous leaders of the age) in technological development was THE precipitating factor leading up to the revolutionary war. King George was flat out afraid of the competition that we were giving the folks back home, and the steps he took to stifle it were what drove the whole shebang. The inventiveness of a relatively free people, away from the stifling influence of the crown, was a potent force, one that set us on the path to independence. Ever heard of Yankee Ingenuity? They weren’t talking about a baseball team! You are the one that needs to brush up on some history. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/40 "2009-03-13T15:42:31Z")
> [@Stan Shmenge](#): > > We led the way in almost every area of technology, and still do. Ever heard of Henry Ford? Thomas Edison? For that matter Benjamin Franklin? These guys led the whole world in technological advancement. One of the reasons that old King George had such a hard-on for the colonies is we were outstripping the British at their own game! > [@Stan Shmenge](#): > > The fact that we were beating the British (the previous leaders of the age) in technological development was THE precipitating factor leading up to the revolutionary war. Just to get this absolutely clear, because I honestly can’t tell whether you know this or not: you do realize that Henry Ford and Thomas Edison did not in any way influence the events that precipitated the American Revolution, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323.md?page=3)