# Stan Shmenge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323 "2009-03-13T13:30:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/81 "2009-03-14T21:00:33Z")
[Yet another](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510172) useless, empty thread in GD. Does that forum even have mods? If someone wants to start a debate they should at least be required to offer an opinion or facts or cites or debating points, rather than a silly, open-ended question. This is one fat and happy troll; we’ve only ourselves to blame. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/82 "2009-03-14T21:03:10Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > Shodan is nowhere near as stupid as this dude. It’s nice to see somebody stand up for ol’ **Shodan.** 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/83 "2009-03-21T01:35:33Z")
> [@glee](#): > > … > At the heart of the division between the colonists and Britain was a fundamentally different concept of the purpose of the colonies. To the British, their American lands were there largely to provide raw materials to Britain and be consumers of British manufactured goods. This feeling expressed itself in an increasing control and restriction of American trade and industry that helped to build up resentment, especially in New England, where manufacturing goods for export to the southern colonies was already an important part of the local economy. In contrast, many of the colonists saw themselves as carving a new society from the wilderness, unrestricted by decisions made 3,000 miles away across the Atlantic. > … > The next government attempt to raise money was the Revenue Act of 1767. Put forward by Charles Townshend, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, this was a scheme based on indirect taxes on trade, organised across all of the colonies by a board of commissioners. Townshend suggested that the proceeds could fund both the armed forces needed on the borders, and a civil list that could free royal governors from any need to rely on colonial assemblies for funding. The government had reasonable grounds to expect that this new approach would be acceptable - during the controversy over the Stamp Acts the colonists had accepted the validity of indirect taxation - but instead it was to face protest on both sides of the Atlantic. The gist of this being that people in the colonies were able to produce finished goods at a lower price than in England. They were ahead of the mother country. Paul Revere’s most revolutionary act wasn’t to ride through the streets in the dark of night, it was to have the audacity to make knives and forks. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/84 "2009-03-21T01:45:47Z")
> [@Mr.Svinlesha](#): > > **Stan:** > So I’m having trouble making the connection between Obama’s “massive spending programs” and the claim you make that this will **necessarily** entail the **confiscation** of private assets. Because the funds will come from the private sector! You don’t have to nationalize a business to seize it’s assets. You can tax it out of business, you can suck so much of the consumer dollar away to government that people can’t afford to buy goods, all these programs involve spending huge amounts of money. Sooner or later, unless we default on our obligations, the piper must be payed in terms of interest payments and, God forbid, paying off the principal. Instead, Obama’s plan is to balloon the principal owed beyond our capability to borrow, which is going to be curtailed by the market, so he is a guaranteed fail at that plan. Here’s a cite, not from WND, but from the people who bring you the New York Times: [Why we are boned.](http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/03/20/business/Obama-Budget.php) ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/85 "2009-03-21T01:50:19Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > And he thinks the Shah was hunky dory, and that because the Iranians got tired of handing over 84% of all their oil profits to the British-Persian Oil Company, the Iranians apparently deserved to live for decades under tyranny and oppression. I’ve seen people like \*\*Stan \*\*around–people whose conservative principles end at the end of their own nose. They complain like little bitches if the government wants to raise taxes on them, but they don’t give two shits about an entire nation being subjugated by a dictator put in place by that same government. It’s not just hypocrisy; it’s moral myopia of a particularly loathesome variety. The Shaw was not hunky dory, and as we all have seen, the new fundamentalist regimes turned most of the oil money over to the people. Oh wait, they didn’t? Maybe that is why most people in Iran hate the current regime and Assminijahd is on his way out. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/86 "2009-03-21T02:19:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Merely a poor, confused old man. Just to nitpick, but George III was born in 1738, making him 38 when the Declaration of Independence was signed, and he didn’t really have an attack of porphyria until 1788, so he was at that point, neither confused or old. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/87 "2009-03-21T02:32:21Z")
[QUOTE=Stan Schmenge] The Shaw was not hunky dory, and as we all have seen, the new fundamentalist regimes turned most of the oil money over to the people. Oh wait, they didn’t? Maybe that is why most people in Iran hate the current regime and Assminijahd is on his way out. [/QUOTE] Why do I not believe you would describe Bush losing an election as the result of “people hating the regime”? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/88 "2009-03-21T03:10:45Z")
Yes, but isn’t porphyria hereditary? So it’s not something you catch later on. And I believe he had earlier instances-though if they were around the revolution, I don’t remember. As for old man, well, he and Queen Charlotte WERE breeding like rabbits-that probably aged him a bit. 😉 At any rate-I don’t think he was a villain. No king back then would have willingly surrendered such a large chunk of his territory. (However, like I’m said, I do think it was right to revolt.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/89 "2009-03-21T03:38:31Z")
Well, there’s this and that about that. Like most of us, I grew up thinking that the American Revolution had total popular support, and it pretty much did by the time it was over, the British making such assholes of themselves. But best guess I’ve read said about a third of us were rebels, a third “loyalist” and about a third wished everybody would just shut about it, already. So, I know the stories about Tom Paine and Johnny Tremaine aren’t strictly true. Fuck it, gonna believe 'em anyway! ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/90 "2009-03-21T08:47:04Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > The Shaw was not hunky dory, and as we all have seen, the new fundamentalist regimes turned most of the oil money over to the people. Oh wait, they didn’t? Maybe that is why most people in Iran hate the current regime and Assminijahd is on his way out. Way to address approximately 1% of all the points made in that post (as well as “refute” points that were not made). You are really “great” at debating. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/91 "2009-03-21T15:35:00Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > The Shaw was not hunky dory, and as we all have seen, the new fundamentalist regimes turned most of the oil money over to the people. Oh wait, they didn’t? Maybe that is why most people in Iran hate the current regime and Assminijahd is on his way out. You, sir, are the **kanicbird** of politics. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/92 "2009-03-21T15:42:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You, sir, are the **kanicbird** of politics. I think I love you. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/93 "2009-03-21T15:52:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Yes, but isn’t porphyria hereditary? So it’s not something you catch later on. And I believe he had earlier instances-though if they were around the revolution, I don’t remember. Well, first of all, people aren’t sure it really was porphyria. It may have been, and at least one of his descendents (Princess Charlotte of Prussia) suffered from a form of porphyria, but we don’t know for sure that that was what he had. There’s another theory that he suffered from arsenic poisoning. Arsenic was a fairly common ingredient in medicine at the time, and non-lethal doses can lead to mental illness, and it can especially exacerbate mental illness in people suffering from porphyria. At any rate, whatever caused his mania, except for a brief episode in 1765, he was healthy until the 1788 attack (although suffering from symptoms of stress, like insomnia and weight loss). ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/94 "2009-03-21T15:55:03Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Things I learned from \*\*Stan Schmenge \*\*today: > > 1. Iran was living in the stone age 70 years ago > 2. Hyde Park is full of Commies > 3. the PTA is full of pinkos > 4. Jimmy Carter helped overthrow the Shah and establish a Muslim theocracy in Iran > 5. the Iraq war has been a great success > 6. Hillary Clinton loves Palestinian terrorists > > Is this seriously the current level of conservative thought? The 50s called: they want their ideology back. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/95 "2009-03-21T16:35:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You, sir, are the **kanicbird** of politics. Ooh, that’s even worse than calling him the \*\*C \*\*word!! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/96 "2009-03-21T17:12:09Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > The Shaw was not hunky dory … [The Sha **w**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)) was extremely hunky dory! (And if he’d had a bigger boat, he’d have gotten that damned [del]Ayatollah[/del] shark. [Mr. Blue](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)#Acting_career) was truly “[A Man for All Seasons](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)#Writing_career)”.) The [Sha **h**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi), [not so much](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK). [PALATR](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PALATR) dude, PALATR. CMC fnord! And no, it’s not just a fucking typo, the W and the H ain’t nowhere near each other. Plus the post your quoting has the correct spelling and no one who knows anything about Iran, it’s history, and/or the Shah would make that mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/97 "2009-03-21T19:15:41Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > [The Sha **w**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)) was extremely hunky dory! (And if he’d had a bigger boat, he’d have gotten that damned [del]Ayatollah[/del] shark. [Mr. Blue](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)#Acting_career) was truly “[A Man for All Seasons](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)#Writing_career)”.) The [Sha **h**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi), [not so much](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK). > > [PALATR](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PALATR) dude, PALATR. > > CMC fnord! > And no, it’s not just a fucking typo, the W and the H ain’t nowhere near each other. Plus the post your quoting has the correct spelling and no one who knows anything about Iran, it’s history, and/or the Shah would make that mistake. Don’t even get me started on the [pshaw](http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/phil/meaning/pshaw.htm), whose gibberish is about as intelligible as the subject’s arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/98 "2009-03-22T10:33:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Why do I not believe you would describe Bush losing an election as the result of “people hating the regime”? Um, Bush didn’t lose the election, McCain did. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/99 "2009-03-22T12:13:03Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The 50s called: they want their ideology back. > > 1. Iran was living in the stone age 70 years ago > 2. Hyde Park is full of Commies > 3. the PTA is full of pinkos > 4. Jimmy Carter helped overthrow the Shah and establish a Muslim theocracy in Iran > 5. the Iraq war has been a great success > 6. Hillary Clinton loves Palestinian terrorists 1. No, they were a technological leader! So sorry for my mistake. :rolleyes: 2. Um, yes it is. One is in the White House as we speak. 3. They are the lay organization for the NEA, so yes. 4. Well, he did! Are you saying this is a bad thing? 5. Not over, but if Obama plays it wise, it will come out better than 'Nam. 6. She has had a great sympathy for the PLO, and that is not really a point of debate. Whatever… ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/100 "2009-03-22T12:22:10Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > 1. No, they were a technological leader! So sorry for my mistake. :rolleyes: > 2. Um, yes it is. One is in the White House as we speak. > 3. They are the lay organization for the NEA, so yes. > 4. Well, he did! Are you saying this is a bad thing? > 5. Not over, but if Obama plays it wise, it will come out better than 'Nam. > 6. She has had a great sympathy for the PLO, and that is not really a point of debate. > > Whatever… Wow, you really are implacably stupid, aren’t you? Well, we all have our cross to bear. Liberal Dopers must bear the burden of **Der Trihs** ; conservatives have you. Too bad the two of you can’t go off by yourselves so the adults can have a serious discussion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323.md?page=6)