# Stan Shmenge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323 "2009-03-13T13:30:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/101 "2009-03-22T12:34:30Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > Wow, you really are implacably stupid, aren’t you? Well, we all have our cross to bear. Liberal Dopers must bear the burden of **Der Trihs** ; conservatives have you. Too bad the two of you can’t go off by yourselves so the adults can have a serious discussion. Let’s see one! How about one about Obama’s reversal regarding denial of benefits to the veterans? Does his initial policy reveal his hatred for our servicemen, or does his reversal expose his craven hypocrisy? Enjoy the deficit, moron. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/102 "2009-03-22T12:38:15Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > 1. No, they were a technological leader! So sorry for my mistake. :rolleyes: > 2. Um, yes it is. One is in the White House as we speak. > 3. They are the lay organization for the NEA, so yes. > 4. Well, he did! Are you saying this is a bad thing? > 5. Not over, but if Obama plays it wise, it will come out better than 'Nam. > 6. She has had a great sympathy for the PLO, and that is not really a point of debate. > > Whatever… They are all legitimate points of debate, but since you seem unwilling to support them with anything other than repeated assertion, we can safely dismiss them as unfounded opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/103 "2009-03-22T12:43:22Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Let’s see one! How about one about Obama’s reversal regarding denial of benefits to the veterans? Does his initial policy reveal his hatred for our servicemen, or does his reversal expose his craven hypocrisy? Enjoy the deficit, moron. This post contains so many falsehoods, and is evidence of so much malicious stupidity, that it instantly reveals that you are not worthy of engaging. Like I said, leave real debate to the adults, since you are clearly incapable of anything better than what I might read in the YouTube comments section. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/104 "2009-03-22T13:08:56Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > This post contains so many falsehoods, and is evidence of so much malicious stupidity, that it instantly reveals that you are not worthy of engaging. Like I said, leave real debate to the adults, since you are clearly incapable of anything better than what I might read in the YouTube comments section. So you are saying that Obama did NOT propose cutting veteran’s benefits? How about a [cite](http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/1092512.html) Or another [cite](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/17/obama.veterans/) Or are you proposing that he did not backpedal on his stupidity? [cite](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/18/AR2009031803394.html) Just asking! ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/105 "2009-03-22T13:26:20Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > So you are saying that Obama did NOT propose cutting veteran’s benefits? How about a [cite](http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/1092512.html) > Or another [cite](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/17/obama.veterans/) > > Or are you proposing that he did not backpedal on his stupidity? [cite](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/18/AR2009031803394.html) > > Just asking! How about, “\*\*Stan Shmenge’s \*\*casting of the debate in post 101 showed such well-poisoning and partisan douchebaggery that engaging with him would clearly be a pointless exercise. It is better to point and laugh.” Though there is little point in explaining this to you, what people like you fail to understand is that liberals on this board are happy to engage with thoughtful conservatives. But people who show no interest in engaging in good faith debate are not really worth the time. That’s why, for example, people argue with **Bricker** , but just make fun of **Clothahump**. And you. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/106 "2009-03-22T15:23:13Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Whatever… And there you have it in a nutshell. The last argument of those bereft of facts. The intellectual equivalent of farting in the wind. My _children_ use this response when they have no response, and think they have just delivered the ultimate argument. It says much about your thought processes. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/107 "2009-03-22T17:47:00Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > And there you have it in a nutshell. The last argument of those bereft of facts. The intellectual equivalent of farting in the wind. My _children_ use this response when they have no response, and think they have just delivered the ultimate argument. It says much about your thought processes. What do you want to bet he’s making the “W” handsign right after he posts? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/108 "2009-03-22T20:13:16Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > But people who show no interest in engaging in good faith debate are not really worth the time. That’s why, for example, people argue with **Bricker** , but just make fun of **Clothahump**. **Bricker** is just as impaired in the good-faith department. People engage him because his articulateness and his mastery at disingenuous framing might otherwise convince the more casual readers that he has a good, even superior position. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/109 "2009-03-22T20:42:08Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Bricker** is just as impaired in the good-faith department. People engage him because his articulateness and his mastery at disingenuous framing might otherwise convince the more casual readers that he has a good, even superior position. Well, it’s superior to your’s. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/110 "2009-03-22T20:54:45Z")
Hmmm? :dubious: Explanation and example or two, please? (His knowledge of the correct use of apostrophes, and mine, is superior to _yours_, btw) ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/111 "2009-03-23T06:18:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Bricker** is just as impaired in the good-faith department. People engage him because his articulateness and his mastery at disingenuous framing might otherwise convince the more casual readers that he has a good, even superior position. \*\*Bricker \*\*has actually done a volte-face with respect to some important positions (such as, IIRC, gay marriage). I can’t think of a better indicator that someone is debating in good faith than that they actually are persuaded to change their mind sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/112 "2009-03-23T09:52:12Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > \*\*Bricker \*\*has actually done a volte-face with respect to some important positions (such as, IIRC, gay marriage). I can’t think of a better indicator that someone is debating in good faith than that they actually are persuaded to change their mind sometimes. Well, I never had to do an about face on gay marriage, because I have always supported equal rights for all. I am NOT a social conservative. I am here to point out the problems with the new administration. And I will continue to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/113 "2009-03-23T10:04:39Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > I am here to point out the problems with the new administration. And I will continue to do so. This is an absolutely vital role. Shame you’re so crap at it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/114 "2009-03-23T16:33:21Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Well, I never had to do an about face on gay marriage, because I have always supported equal rights for all. I daresay their cause is helped by you being on the other side of it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/115 "2009-03-23T18:11:15Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > I am NOT a social conservative. No, you’re just a dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323/116 "2009-03-27T21:30:39Z")
I’m bumping this to keep it on the front page. Why? Just because **Stan Shmenge** is such a swell guy! He’s right about the nutmeg laws. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stan-shmenge/489323.md?page=5)