# Stand Up For The People Of America! - Bioshock: Inifinite Hype Thread! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 22, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634 "2013-03-22T14:28:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/61 "2013-03-27T14:28:47Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > The save points are annoying. I played last night until my eyes were bleary and finally gave up and lost 10 minutes of gameplay because I didn’t know when the next save point would be and really had to go to bed. > > That said, this game looks FREAKING AMAZING. The save point thing is my only complaint so far. I’m not sure how many of them there aside from this but the game does save every time you enter a new area. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/62 "2013-03-27T14:46:24Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Has anyone that’s played it thrown the baseball at the mixed race couple rather than trying to nail the announcer? I am curious what the outcome of that is. Me too. In every preview I’ve seen everyone always tries to hit the presenter. It’s almost as if no one wants to be “that guy”. My guess, is that’ the same thing happens. It looks very much like that scene is supposed to play out in the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/63 "2013-03-27T14:49:24Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > The save points are annoying. I played last night until my eyes were bleary and finally gave up and lost 10 minutes of gameplay because I didn’t know when the next save point would be and really had to go to bed. > > That said, this game looks FREAKING AMAZING. The save point thing is my only complaint so far. YES. As I mentioned, incredibly annoying. Several times now I’ve had to log out because, you know, I’m not 12 anymore and can’t dedicate hours upon hours to a game. I have to check on dinner, check on work email, attend to a guest, etc. And every time I had to log out, I had no idea how much gameplay I would lose. It’s varied between nothing, a few minutes, 20 minutes, and a few times I’ve lost progress before a really difficult, long battle. What a drag. F5 to quick save Mr Levine, would you kindly add that to your next game! ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/64 "2013-03-27T14:54:45Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Me too. In every preview I’ve seen everyone always tries to hit the presenter. It’s almost as if no one wants to be “that guy”. > > My guess, is that’ the same thing happens. It looks very much like that scene is supposed to play out in the same way. My curiosity is to see if you manage to stay undercover awhile longer as I may try that route when I play it through again. But yeah…as much as I anticipated something happening due to the telegram, and I wanted to stay undercover…I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Also: has anyone killed those police looking guys that are praying? I wasn’t sure if I could walk by them but I guess you can seeing as how I murdered the lot of them and they didn’t move while I was mowing them down. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![happycamper\_5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cab0a1/32.png) [@happycamper\_5](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happycamper_5)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/65 "2013-03-27T14:58:26Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Got it yesterday (PS3) but haven’t played it yet because the fiancee grabbed it instead. (To be fair, the main reason I preordered it was for her, since she liked BioShock 2 a lot more than I did.) Anyway, she’s been going through on easy mode but I don’t think she’s even made it to Monument Square yet. She’s the kind of person who loves to go down every little alley looking for a single silver dollar and looking in all the kinoscopes, that sort of thing. I’ll probably start playing in a few days. I did go ahead and order the season pass, though it took me a while to figure out where to redeem the promo code from Industrial Revolution. (I was convinced it was going to be an in-game redemption option, not through the store.) > > Columbia is definitely a teabagger paradise. I expect the first memes within a week. This is me. I didn’t realize it until the wife pointed it out to me. Doesn’t everyone play that way? 🙂 I did manage to make it to Monument Square in just under two hours, though. I found it a little unsettling to hear people praying to Washington, Jefferson & Franklin. It felt like I was walking through a not-completely-implausable dystopian future. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/66 "2013-03-27T15:30:15Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > My curiosity is to see if you manage to stay undercover awhile longer as I may try that route when I play it through again. But yeah…as much as I anticipated something happening due to the telegram, and I wanted to stay undercover…I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. > > Also: has anyone killed those police looking guys that are praying? I wasn’t sure if I could walk by them but I guess you can seeing as how I murdered the lot of them and they didn’t move while I was mowing them down. Weird. I killed a couple coming down the skyrail, until I heard the “stand down” and realized they weren’t fighting back. I left them be at that point. You monster. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/67 "2013-03-27T15:33:05Z")
> [@happycamper\_5](#): > > This is me. I didn’t realize it until the wife pointed it out to me. Doesn’t everyone play that way? 🙂 I did manage to make it to Monument Square in just under two hours, though. > > I found it a little unsettling to hear people praying to Washington, Jefferson & Franklin. It felt like I was walking through a not-completely-implausable dystopian future. I lol’ed hard at Ben Franklin’s statue. Makes me so sure that Jesus was probably a fat little guy with a hump and not the stud he’s usually portrayed as (He’s stud-ley, right? I can say that right?). ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/68 "2013-03-27T15:37:59Z")
I’m probably one of the few in this thread to have it on PS3, not PC, but I like the game so far (only got to play a little last night, haven’t even “gotten” Elisabeth yet,) but the combat controls are wonky. Every other console FPS has L1 bring up your gun sights…but in this game, that’s your Vigor. R3 brings up the sights, and it’s a toggle, not a “hold”, so that messes me up. Literally every combat encounter I started off by using my Vigor when I just wanted to aim. My muscle memory is too ingrained. I haven’t actually looked to see if I can change it, though, so I’ll do that tonight. And re: saving, they put it like that for a reason, and that’s to prevent “save-scumming” from people who make one choice, and then two minute later feel it was bad and want to go back and do the other choice. They designers wanted you to “live with” your actions. However, some sort of “quick save” feature that is meant for times you have to stop playing and can’t get to another checkpoint would be helpful, and to prevent that from being abused, they could just have it get overwritten by the “autosave.” So you quick save before you have to make some kind of choice, thinking you can reload if you make the “wrong” one, but always have it autosave over that quicksave whenever one of those choices is made, and voila, save–scumming eliminated. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/69 "2013-03-27T15:43:57Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > I’m probably one of the few in this thread to have it on PS3, not PC, but I like the game so far (only got to play a little last night, haven’t even “gotten” Elisabeth yet,) but the combat controls are wonky. > > Every other console FPS has L1 bring up your gun sights…but in this game, that’s your Vigor. R3 brings up the sights, and it’s a toggle, not a “hold”, so that messes me up. Literally every combat encounter I started off by using my Vigor when I just wanted to aim. My muscle memory is too ingrained. > > I haven’t actually looked to see if I can change it, though, so I’ll do that tonight. > > And re: saving, they put it like that for a reason, and that’s to prevent “save-scumming” from people who make one choice, and then two minute later feel it was bad and want to go back and do the other choice. They designers wanted you to “live with” your actions. > > However, some sort of “quick save” feature that is meant for times you have to stop playing and can’t get to another checkpoint would be helpful, and to prevent that from being abused, they could just have it get overwritten by the “autosave.” > > So you quick save before you have to make some kind of choice, thinking you can reload if you make the “wrong” one, but always have it autosave over that quicksave whenever one of those choices is made, and voila, save–scumming eliminated. That solution to save “scumming” sounds fine to me. Just give me my quick save! And I’m playing on PC, and since it’s an FPS, I’m sticking with mouse and keyboard, but yeah, the default controls suck. And worse, that cross hair view is hard coded to be a toggle. Hate, toggled zoom. It completely messes me up. ---
**Author:** ![Mithras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mithras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithras)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/70 "2013-03-27T15:52:37Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > I’m probably one of the few in this thread to have it on PS3, not PC, but I like the game so far (only got to play a little last night, haven’t even “gotten” Elisabeth yet,) but the combat controls are wonky. > > Every other console FPS has L1 bring up your gun sights…but in this game, that’s your Vigor. R3 brings up the sights, and it’s a toggle, not a “hold”, so that messes me up. Literally every combat encounter I started off by using my Vigor when I just wanted to aim. My muscle memory is too ingrained. I played Bioshock 1 & 2 on PS3 and am playing Infinite on PC. Other than the mouse seeming too responsive, I feel that keyboard + mouse on Infinite is worlds better than the Playstation controller (or how it was for the first two at least). I went with the PC version mainly for the graphical improvements, but even if it looked worse I’d recommend PC to anyone because of the superior control. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/71 "2013-03-27T15:56:36Z")
> [@Mithras](#): > > I played Bioshock 1 & 2 on PS3 and am playing Infinite on PC. Other than the mouse seeming too responsive, I feel that keyboard + mouse on Infinite is worlds better than the Playstation controller (or how it was for the first two at least). I went with the PC version mainly for the graphical improvements, but even if it looked worse I’d recommend PC to anyone because of the superior control. Yeah, IGN also mentioned how combat is a lot more dynamic and flows smoother since you don’t need to constantly pause to switch up powers. Also, if you guys are looking to tweak mouse sensitivity, FOV, and a few other things, Rock Paper Shotgun is got an article on a few .ini tweaks: > **[BioShock Infinite: A Few Essential Tweaks](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/bioshock-infinite-tweaks)** > > Hello. I am not at GDC, but I am at my desk with my lips on the RPS post horn, and I'm prepared to blow. My first honk … ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/72 "2013-03-27T15:58:54Z")
> [@happycamper\_5](#): > > This is me. I didn’t realize it until the wife pointed it out to me. Doesn’t everyone play that way? 🙂 I did manage to make it to Monument Square in just under two hours, though. > > I found it a little unsettling to hear people praying to Washington, Jefferson & Franklin. It felt like I was walking through a not-completely-implausable dystopian future. I think one of the reasons she liked BioShock 2 so much was because it was the kind of game that really rewarded exploring. I don’t mind exploring myself (years of RPGs have ingrained that in me), but I’m okay with missing the odd object here and there. I mean, she was setting off fireworks, running sinks, flushing toilets, checking every last crate… Anyway, I’m wondering what the backstory is with the Boxer Rebellion. I mean, in the real world it was a pretty convincing Western win, and it’s not like there was a floating city filled with crazy people on the side of the Eight-Nation Alliance. And I realize it’s 1912, but that city would really need some amazing air-air defenses in the next 40 years or so. Do you need to pause to switch powers? I thought the control scheme was L1 for vigors, R1 for weapons, L2 to switch vigors, and R2 to switch weapons. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/73 "2013-03-27T16:06:53Z")
I had forgotten how slow the mouse pointer is in the Bioshock game menus so before I started my first game I ramped the sensitivity way up, and it was WAY too fast in-game so I had to put it back to where it was. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/74 "2013-03-27T16:09:01Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > I killed a couple coming down the skyrail, until I heard the “stand down” and realized they weren’t fighting back. I left them be at that point. > > You monster. Hey! I was punished for my misdeeds by not being rewarded with any corpse loot off those guys! ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/75 "2013-03-27T16:16:11Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Do you need to pause to switch powers? I thought the control scheme was L1 for vigors, R1 for weapons, L2 to switch vigors, and R2 to switch weapons. Right, but you only have 2 powers to switch between. On the PC you can hotkey all your powers. ---
**Author:** ![Backcountry\_Medic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Backcountry\_Medic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backcountry_Medic)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/76 "2013-03-27T17:12:30Z")
Safe to assume it looks better on even on a mid-range PC rather than PS3? What are the Skyhook movements like? The PS3 is on a projector and sometimes jerky swooping movements can almost cause motion sickness. The PC in question has a Core i3 2120 processor, 8gb ram and GeForce 520; seems fairly close to the recommended specs, will it beat out HD PS3? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/77 "2013-03-27T17:18:34Z")
> [@Backcountry\_Medic](#): > > Safe to assume it looks better on even on a mid-range PC rather than PS3? What are the Skyhook movements like? The PS3 is on a projector and sometimes jerky swooping movements can almost cause motion sickness. > > The PC in question has a Core i3 2120 processor, 8gb ram and GeForce 520; seems fairly close to the recommended specs, will it beat out HD PS3? I think it’s better for the mechanics alone even if the graphics rendering is a wash. I have a similar rig to yours although I have a Radeon 6870 and only 4GB of RAM and I am running full resolution on medium graphics settings and it’s breathtakingly gorgeous. ---
**Author:** ![Backcountry\_Medic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Backcountry\_Medic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backcountry_Medic)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/78 "2013-03-27T17:31:49Z")
Thanks! Amazon giftcard spent. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/79 "2013-03-27T17:44:37Z")
> [@Backcountry\_Medic](#): > > Thanks! Amazon giftcard spent. The GT 520 isn’t really meant for gaming, but it can do console settings: So a mix of medium/low settings 720p at between 28-40 FPS (your Ps3 does the same, but probably hard locks the frame rate to 30 - which you might want to do, in order to smooth out gameplay). ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634/80 "2013-03-27T18:20:08Z")
> [@Backcountry\_Medic](#): > > Thanks! Amazon giftcard spent. It’s worth every penny, as you will soon see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-up-for-the-people-of-america-bioshock-inifinite-hype-thread/653634.md?page=5)