# Stand Your Ground: Man innocent of killing wife's lover **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 31, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787 "2013-05-31T14:13:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PoorYorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@PoorYorick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoorYorick)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/1 "2013-05-31T14:13:37Z")
One of the more imaginitive successful uses of the Stand Your Ground law here in Florida was reported today in the Tampa Bay Times where a man [was found innocent of killing his wife’s lover](http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/brandon-defendant-accused-of-murdering-wifes-lover-to-testify/2123822). He awoke to find them having sex on the living room floor and shot the much younger man twice. His defense was that he thought she was being raped. She said she was so drunk, she doesn’t remember anything. Apparently, the jury bought it, or wanted to buy it, anyway. Older impotent man with an much younger wife . . . man, you couldn’t sell this as fiction. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/2 "2013-05-31T14:51:39Z")
> [@](#): > > “Because my husband puts me first, he’s taking me to the Waffle House,” Flores said. Heh. If she’s smart she won’t order extra sausage. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/3 "2013-05-31T15:15:07Z")
Way to go, Colonel! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/4 "2013-05-31T15:20:36Z")
He must be glad to know he has one working weapon. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/5 "2013-05-31T15:39:02Z")
I guess Conley went out with [del]a bang[/del] two bangs. Is it just me or does Wald look like he’s still wearing his pajamas? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/6 "2013-05-31T17:04:07Z")
> [@PoorYorick](#): > > She said she was so drunk, she doesn’t remember anything. It’s perhaps worth emphasizing that if this is true, then she was indeed being raped. I have no idea how credible this claim actually is, of course. ---
**Author:** ![D18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@D18](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D18)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/7 "2013-05-31T17:45:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Once Wald was released from jail, she said, he had promised her a special celebration. “Because my husband puts me first, he’s taking me to the Waffle House,” Flores said. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/8 "2013-05-31T17:48:13Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > It’s perhaps worth emphasizing that if this is true, then she was indeed being raped. > > I have no idea how credible this claim actually is, of course. Well, he eliminated the one person who could contradict his version of events. Sometimes known as the “Zimmerman strategy.” ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/9 "2013-05-31T17:54:13Z")
Gee, that’s all Conley was doing too, just trying to get him some skittles. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/10 "2013-05-31T18:01:04Z")
Skittles? Is that what they are calling that woman part these days? Man, I am so behind the times. I guess it could be worse. He could be taking her to Dennys on the bad side of town. ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/11 "2013-05-31T18:08:25Z")
Apparently there’s more to this story: > [@](#): > > But it’s not the first time this trio has been in trouble with the law. Flores was arrested two weeks after her Oct. 2012 marriage to Wald for firing a shot at Conley. She’s Wald’s fifth wife, according to the Tampa Bay Times. > > Flores had apparently been letting Conley stay at her home for several weeks, but wanted him to leave on Oct. 3. So she fired a bullet in his general direction. > **[911 CALL: I Shot A Man Dead For 'Fornicating' With My Wife](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ralph-lewis-wald-70-shoots-man-fornicating-wife_n_2859365)** > > 911 CALL: I Shot A Man Dead For 'Fornicating' With My Wife I also love the fact that Conley lived on **Lover’s Lane**. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/12 "2013-05-31T18:16:34Z")
Geez, some real life shit just couldn’t be made up could it? This is right up there the Elvis impersonator framed for mailing ricin to Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/13 "2013-05-31T21:01:25Z")
Florida here. What can I say? We needed to churn out some news between elections. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/14 "2013-06-01T02:53:51Z")
Sounds like these two are a perfect match. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/15 "2013-06-01T04:01:38Z")
I’m no fan of Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law - it’s written way too broadly in my opinion. But I’m not seeing any problem with its application here. If we accept Wald’s testimony that he witnessed Conley having non-consensual sex with Flores, then it’s a clear justified shooting. Now if the prosecution had been able cast doubts on Wald’s testimony, he might have been convicted. But there was nothing wrong with the “Stand Your Ground” law in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/16 "2013-06-01T04:19:18Z")
I waited through that whole article for a reference to “getting off.” I figured, after the Waffle House line, that it would come from the wife if nobody else. Disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![misterW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@misterW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misterW)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/17 "2013-06-01T04:35:28Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > It’s perhaps worth emphasizing that if this is true, then she was indeed being raped. > > I have no idea how credible this claim actually is, of course. What if they were both so drunk they couldn’t remember? ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/18 "2013-06-01T09:15:18Z")
I think that the real question should be: “What if all 3 of them were so drunk that they couldn’t remember?” ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/19 "2013-06-01T12:49:37Z")
> [@misterW](#): > > What if they were both so drunk they couldn’t remember? She wasn’t being raped, that’s just crazy talk. My memory is a little vague on the subject but I believe there used to be a law that specifically stated if you ever catch your wife in the act of boinking another man, you can pretty much shoot said man with impunity. Something about “justifiable insanity” or something like that? I can’t remember exactly. ---
**Author:** ![6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/e19adc/32.png) [@6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787/20 "2013-06-01T13:04:08Z")
Whatever it is, it’s disgusting that some poor guy is murdered in cold blood and the law does nothing. The stupid old bastard couldn’t have simply threatened him with a gun? I hope the slapper wife is tormented by vivid nightmares for the rest of her existence. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stand-your-ground-man-innocent-of-killing-wifes-lover/659787.md?page=2)