# Star Trek 4 Sounds Like it Was Pitched By A Crazy Person **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [November 9, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001 "2024-11-09T22:33:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/41 "2024-11-10T03:33:03Z")
I don’t know San Francisco at all but your reply is spot on. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/42 "2024-11-10T03:33:24Z")
ISTM McCoy broke Chekhov out of a normal hospital. Remember the woman who McCoy gave a pill to and got a new kidney? I don’t think that old woman would have been in a naval hospital. That doesn’t mean MPs weren’t there. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/43 "2024-11-10T04:29:02Z")
Or on Dialysis. You don’t go to the hospital with “kidney dialysis” as a diagnosis. (They can do emergency dialysis at a hospital, but that’s not necessarily why you’re there). And you don’t lay in a bed for it, in a hallway. Maybe a wheelchair if you have just had a procedure. Sounded wrong when she said it, when I first heard it. Sounds like she had to be coached and coached on the words and it came out unnaturally. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/44 "2024-11-10T04:30:32Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Are or were there any naval hospitals in the Bay Area? In that era, Oak Knoll Naval Hospital would’ve been closest to Alameda. > **[Naval Hospital Oakland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Hospital_Oakland)** > > Naval Hospital Oakland, also known as Oak Knoll Naval Hospital, was a U.S. naval hospital located in Oakland, California that opened during World War II (1942) and closed in 1996 as part of the 1993 Base Realignment and Closure program. The 167-acre (68 ha) site is bordered on three sides by Mountain Boulevard and Keller Avenue in the city's Oak Knoll section and its map coordinates are .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-p Oak... ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/45 "2024-11-10T04:32:39Z")
She tells where the hospital is on the ship. Mission district. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/46 "2024-11-10T04:35:18Z")
Isn’t that “Across the bay in Alameda?” (Another quote I like to say, when someone asks where some place is, in particular) ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/47 "2024-11-10T04:52:58Z")
> [@markn\_1](#): > > Going back in time, finding two whales, loading them into the Enterprise, and returning to the future? Super easy, barely an inconvenience. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > IIRC the human crew named it the HMS Bounty. Well, it was super easy beaming up the whales and 400 tons of water to the Bird of Prey. Everyone knows Bounty is the quicker picker upper. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/48 "2024-11-10T05:16:36Z")
Since the second and third J.J. Abrams Star Treks took major story beats from the original Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock, I’ve wondered if Abrams/Paramount would have the balls to make his 4th Star Trek a time traveling comedy about whales. No gratuitous action sequences, no gratuitous special effects, no gratuitous lens flare. Just Chris Pine putting the double dumbass on cabbies and Zachary Quinto in a thirsty terrycloth. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/49 "2024-11-10T05:51:00Z")
The scene where Uhura asks “where is Alameda?” always strikes me as inconsistent. How could she have spent years in Star Fleet Academy in San Francisco and not know where Alameda is? It’s like a 20 minute drive from downtown SF. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/50 "2024-11-10T05:54:37Z")
I dunno. Its Trek practice to send the crews to CURRENT DAY and run with it. ST4 VOY PICS2 So if we send the Kelvin crew to 2025…its going to be impossible to resist ham-fisted political comment. ST4 did it a little but with humor. I don’t think VOY did it. Maybe a comment on Steve Jobs types? Now…IMHO…PICS2 did it ham fistingly. I simply don’t see how they could avoid doing it with anything but a frying pan. Hell…SNW said Jan6 was the beginning of WW3. And maybe it will be!! But they were telling this story to an ALIEN species without any context. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/51 "2024-11-10T06:38:31Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > I dunno. Its Trek practice to send the crews to CURRENT DAY and run with it. > > ST4 > VOY > PICS2 It’s been used in _Strange New Worlds_, too: Season 2, Episode 3, “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow,” largely takes place in 2020s Toronto ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/52 "2024-11-10T06:52:45Z")
Star Trek writers love incorporating topical commentary into whatever incarnation they’re working on. Into Darkness, for example, was largely a heavy-handed commentary on drone warfare (and 9/11 and Iraq), at a time when it felt like almost every sci-fi action movie was trying to find a way to say “DRONES BAD”. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/53 "2024-11-10T07:05:46Z")
Star Trek has always been at its best as social commentary. (I think) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/54 "2024-11-10T07:07:51Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Star Trek has always been at its best as social commentary. Sometimes it’s great, like Measure of a Man or the episode where Riker falls in love with a transwoman from a planet of monogendered people. Sometimes, though, it’s the TOS episode with the two guys who are half black and half white on opposite sides of their body, or the guy who wrote Into Darkness trying to say that 9/11 was an inside job. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/55 "2024-11-10T07:23:32Z")
That TOS ep and ANY TOS ep that tries to feature “young/hippy/leftist” vs “Establishment/cops” are kinda interesting when you look at how they’re portrayed rather then the ham-fisted trappings. Like Let This Be Your Last Battlefield (that you mentioned) or Way to Eden (The space hippy ep) and to very much smaller extent Miri. The “hippys” are cultists or terrorists even. And yet…our intrepid heroes try to understand them or reach out to them. In LTBYLB, Kirk, very quickly, has no time for their left vs right nonsense. And as for the race thing…being the 60’s they say “I don’t see race.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/56 "2024-11-10T07:26:29Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > The “hippys” are cultists or terrorists even. They called Spock a Herbert! How diabolical can you get?! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/57 "2024-11-10T07:30:26Z")
The half black/white guys was a bit heavy-handed but it still made a good point. I don’t know the other one about 9/11 (which is weird because I think I have seen all the Star Trek). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/58 "2024-11-10T08:08:29Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The half black/white guys was a bit heavy-handed but it still made a good point. It was also a very well-made episode - well-written, well-acted and especially well-directed. Watch it again. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/59 "2024-11-10T08:14:21Z")
Into Darkness. It’s one of newer movies. Chris Pine and Zac Quinto as Kirk and Spock. No Shatner (I think Nimoy is in that one as a vey old man coming back to visit Kirk and give him a pep talk) There were 2 newer ones, they kinda run together on me. But yeah, those ones. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001/60 "2024-11-10T08:37:56Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I don’t know the other one about 9/11 (which is weird because I think I have seen all the Star Trek). > **['Star Trek's Biggest Movie Is Hiding The Weirdest Real-World Message](https://www.cracked.com/article_33816_the-time-star-trek-made-a-911-truther-movie.html)** > > Why 'Star Trek Into Darkness' is basically 'Loose Change in Space.' [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-4-sounds-like-it-was-pitched-by-a-crazy-person/1010001.md?page=4)