# Star Trek Back Story/Guys who need their own ep. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202 "2017-02-07T01:26:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/21 "2017-02-07T18:30:47Z")
How about Norm… er, Morn? Fat ugly alien just sits at the bar all day, never says a word, doesn’t appear to have a job, must be independently wealthy somehow. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/22 "2017-02-07T19:14:04Z")
These are the voyages of the Star Ship Gomtuu and his sidekick Tam Elbrun… ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/23 "2017-02-07T19:26:59Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Both Assignment Earth and The Questor Tapes would have made good shows. Both have that Roddenberry Utopia thing going on. Assignment: Earth was, in fact, meant to serve as a pilot for a spin-off series with Gary Seven (and Roberta Lincoln) – or, possibly, a replacement series in case Star Trek was cancelled after Season 2 – but the concept ultimately wasn’t picked up by NBC. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/24 "2017-02-07T20:10:28Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > These are the voyages of the Star Ship Gomtuu and his sidekick Tam Elbrun… Yea, where’d they go anyway? And whatever happened to Decker/V’ger? Did they all just leave the universe? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/25 "2017-02-07T20:22:14Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Yea, where’d they go anyway? Kansas City. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > And whatever happened to Decker/V’ger? Did they all just leave the universe? There was some problem about a visa from the Ferengi. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/26 "2017-02-07T21:18:19Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe all these years of “gritty” television have damaged me, but I see a TV show where a guy _thinks_ he’s working for the New Utopia, but was in actuality recruited by the enemy. He goes along, happily doing “whatever it takes” (ie, killing) for The Greater Good, but he’s really a tool of the bad guys. Maybe do that show for a whole season before you introduce the Gary Seven-analog, who sets the hero straight. Check out the show Continuum [Continuum (TV series) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(TV_series)) Terrorists and a lone cop time travel back to current day, the cop vows to stop the terrorists at all costs to save the future… …and never quite realizes that the future she’s trying to save is a corporate police state, she was one of the oppressors, and the terrorists kind of have a point. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/27 "2017-02-07T22:05:25Z")
Actually, gnoitall, this is the first book in the series I was describing. [![](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/810AQvTTriL.jpg) ](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/810AQvTTriL.jpg) And it wasn’t so much the Tantalus Field that they were talking about but an alien device with similar effects. And, Horatius, I gotta agree about Continuum. The cop is a moral person in service to an amoral system, while the “terrorists” employ morally objectionable methods in service to the proverbial “greater good”. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/28 "2017-02-07T23:20:16Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe all these years of “gritty” television have damaged me, but I see a TV show where a guy _thinks_ he’s working for the New Utopia, but was in actuality recruited by the enemy. He goes along, happily doing “whatever it takes” (ie, killing) for The Greater Good, but he’s really a tool of the bad guys. Maybe do that show for a whole season before you introduce the Gary Seven-analog, who sets the hero straight. I can imagine the opposite of this. The Caball of Supervillains ™ is evaluating a new group of underlings and henchmen and has one who really stands out. You know how we have Anti-Heroes? Make this guy the Anti-Villain! As the story progresses, this guy quietly steers the Cabal to legitimacy. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/29 "2017-02-08T01:26:39Z")
I always wanted to see where ‘Tin Man’ went. Yes, the needy crazy human had to go… but humans only live so long. It would have been cool if a damaged ship came across it and its crew were ‘adopted’. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/30 "2017-02-08T01:47:12Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > How about Norm… er, Morn? Fat ugly alien just sits at the bar all day, never says a word, doesn’t appear to have a job, must be independently wealthy somehow. He got his episode to explain that last bit - although he barely appeared in it. Who Mourns for Morn?, where he faked his death to throw off his accomplices from when he was a thief. And he pretty much had to not appear, in order to retain the running gag about him being a chatterbox without ever showing him saying a word. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/31 "2017-02-08T13:58:17Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > He got his episode to explain that last bit - although he barely appeared in it. Who Mourns for Morn?, where he faked his death to throw off his accomplices from when he was a thief. > > And he pretty much had to not appear, in order to retain the running gag about him being a chatterbox without ever showing him saying a word. Cool, thanks. I’m only up to early S5 on Netflix, so I haven’t seen that one yet. Looks like I have almost a full season to go before I get to that one. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/32 "2017-02-08T14:47:26Z")
I’d like to know what the hell happened to Borg species 1. Looking back, I imagine it was a humanoid race not to unlike our own. Someone figured out how to bypass those pesky devices we love keeping our faces glued to, to engage in social media, and drilled it straight into their brains. Which led to a hive mind. Then once they consumed all the knowledge on their own planet, they venture out to consume more. Did they have any idea what they were doing to themselves? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/33 "2017-02-08T15:22:59Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Did they have any idea what they were doing to themselves? I blame Steve Jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/34 "2017-02-08T17:19:04Z")
Vash. She needs her own series. Preferably one where she teams up with Mycroft from BBC’s _Sherlock_ and solves crimes. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/35 "2017-02-08T17:34:53Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I blame Steve Jobs. Don’t pick the on the Borg King! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/36 "2017-02-08T17:42:37Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Vash. She needs her own series. Preferably one where she teams up with Mycroft from BBC’s _Sherlock_ and solves crimes. Ooh! I’m picturing a seedy space bar: one part Quark’s, one part Mos Eisley cantina, one part Callahan’s. Freebooters hang out there looking for work as does Vash between cases. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/37 "2017-02-08T19:11:30Z")
Wouldn’t mind hearing about how an exact duplicate of Earth ended up creating Miri’s onlies. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/38 "2017-02-08T19:20:14Z")
I’d love to see the DS9 novels “A Stitch in Time” (about Garak) and “The Never-Ending Sacrifice” (about Rugal, the child from “Cardassians”) made into live-action form. The latter was particularly epic. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/39 "2017-02-10T06:39:45Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > And whatever happened to Decker/V’ger? Did they all just leave the universe? I just finished rewatching STTMP (oh the pain! the pain!) and I have a different opinion now. Despite the dialog, I think Vger died, along with Decker. Vger didn’t know (as per dialog) what its purpose was, but it did think transmitting the data would do…something. Maybe the next level of existance. But what if it just died? Maybe THAT isn the next level - oblivion. That really IS all there is to life. There isn’t anything more. The universe is a cold, lonely place, and the end of the road is the freedom from living in it anymore. Decker didn’t know what he was getting. He thought he was evolving, but that’s not what happened. He’ll just never know it. Maybe what really makes the Q surly is that they can’t die. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202/40 "2017-02-11T03:56:06Z")
I’ll add another vote for Okona. That character could stand to be rehabbed a little, given that he didn’t exactly get a lot of opportunities to live up to the word “outrageous” the first time around. And he probably deserves to have a showcase without that wretched B-plot featuring Data and Joe Piscopo dragging everything down. Who thought THAT was a good idea? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-back-story-guys-who-need-their-own-ep/779202.md?page=3)