# Star Trek : Beyond - Trailer is here! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432 "2015-12-14T18:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/41 "2015-12-16T23:36:59Z")
Personally, I’d call it a fantasy story in a science fiction setting. You have medieval fantasy, you have modern-urban fantasy, you have Victorian fantasy, and you have space fantasy. Different sets and stage dressing, same basic stories. Of course, it’s all very fluid anyway, with no clear line between the two genres. Fantasy and science fiction are just the ends of the same sliding scale. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/42 "2015-12-17T00:15:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > They’ve made I think 573 Star Trek movies now and almost all of them are terrible. They missed an opportunity when the previous movie was titled “Into Darkness” instead of “[So Very Tired](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgI-ojsS6hs)”. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/43 "2015-12-17T00:20:47Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > They’ve made I think 573 Star Trek movies now and almost all of them are terrible. Even the last two, while they were FUN, don’t hold up very well for repeat viewing and are kind of silly. > > The obvious comparison to the new Star Wars movie, which apparently is very good and is a welcome return to movies that were excellent, is an interesting if unfair one, because I find it curious how hard it seems to be for them to make a good Star Trek movie. I actually like Star Trek, you understand, but of all the films the only one I think really stands up as an above average movie is “The Wrath of Khan,” a movie scarcely more recent than The Empire Strikes Back. > > I wonder why that is? Because Star Trek doesn’t belong in movies; it belongs on tv. If that was never obvious before, it certainly is now. This new film looks wretched. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/44 "2015-12-17T02:54:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I always thought the biggest problem with Star Trek is that there weren’t enough motorcycle jumps. I’m glad they’ve corrected that. That’s very true. We all know that the Star Treks with off-roading scenes (dune buggies, for example) are the best Star Treks. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/45 "2015-12-17T02:57:53Z")
I remember when Kirk jumped that pool with the shark in it, looking all cool in his leathers. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/46 "2015-12-17T03:27:53Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I got your “thoughtful” Star Trek [right here](http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/Kirk_surrounded_by_Tribbles-481x360.jpg) > > [and here](http://www.theviewscreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/thegamestersoftriskelion2-500x378.jpg) > [and here](http://s444.photobucket.com/user/caribbeandad/media/TBBS%20Caption%20Contest/nightinsickbay_021.jpg.html) > > oh and [lest we forget](http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--H-mZyiQ7--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/19dgf5ajmfc2pjpg.jpg) Why don’t you drop out of that green jumpsuit and show me that phat ass! ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/47 "2015-12-17T03:39:10Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I can’t agree with this. _ **Star Wars** _ has been described as science fantasy, but telepathy, telekinesis, robotry, FTL travel, anti-gravity drives, energy weapons, and the like have all been SF staples for more than a century now. It’s only the mythological scale of the story line that gives it an air of fantasy. > > (By SF, I mean science fiction, of course.) I don’t want to get into a semantic debate over science fiction vs science fantasy. But Star Trek is no more “hard science” than Star Wars. And in many ways it’s much more “fantasy” as Star Wars is at least consistent with the application of it’s fictional technology. That is to say, the Solo never reverses the polarity of the Falcon’s hyperdrive to allow it to travel 10x as fast (he’s lucky if it even works). No one injects graviton particles into the shield generator to turn it into a superweapon. Star Wars weapons and droids and vehicles do what they were designed to. And they don’t require the futuristic equivalent of MIT Phd West Point grads to operate. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/48 "2015-12-17T03:42:38Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I don’t want to get into a semantic debate over science fiction vs science fantasy. But Star Trek is no more “hard science” than Star Wars. And in many ways it’s much more “fantasy” as Star Wars is at least consistent with the application of it’s fictional technology. That is to say, the Solo never reverses the polarity of the Falcon’s hyperdrive to allow it to travel 10x as fast (he’s lucky if it even works). No one injects graviton particles into the shield generator to turn it into a superweapon. Star Wars weapons and droids and vehicles do what they were designed to. And they don’t require the futuristic equivalent of MIT Phd West Point grads to operate. Okay… :dubious: 😕 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/49 "2015-12-17T03:57:14Z")
Star Trek has been humorous in the past, but it has never been devoid of thought. Every piece of Star Trek before the reboot, even the more action-oriented parts, has been about some intellectual concept. The reboot was fun and slick, but completely devoid of anything to think about. Its sequel tried to be about something by copying the best Star Trek movie, but completely missed the point. An action-y trailer like this doesn’t give me much hope that the series will improve. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/50 "2015-12-17T04:12:06Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Because Star Trek doesn’t belong in movies; it belongs on tv. I think this is a big part of it, yeah. “The Next Generation” often works wonderfully in part because it’s an ongoing examination of neat characters. The TNG movies were boring and shitty because in part they had to skip characterization (or entire characters, like Wesley and Q.) I agree with Sam that the reboot is silly in a lot of ways but the TNG movies were terrible, and did not require the same suspension of disbelief. The only movie that really works, Wrath of Khan, works because it’s probably the most straightforward approach; they take the characters, bring back a memorable bad guy, and have them duke it out in a couple of epic space battles. No muss, no fuss, a solid story that touches on the core characters. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/51 "2015-12-17T04:29:28Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Okay… :dubious: 😕 What are you confused by? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/52 "2015-12-17T04:40:31Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think this is a big part of it, yeah. “The Next Generation” often works wonderfully in part because it’s an ongoing examination of neat characters. The TNG movies were boring and shitty because in part they had to skip characterization (or entire characters, like Wesley and Q.) > > I agree with Sam that the reboot is silly in a lot of ways but the TNG movies were terrible, and did not require the same suspension of disbelief. > > The only movie that really works, Wrath of Khan, works because it’s probably the most straightforward approach; they take the characters, bring back a memorable bad guy, and have them duke it out in a couple of epic space battles. No muss, no fuss, a solid story that touches on the core characters. I would say that ST VI: The Undiscovered Country and ST VIII: First Contact also worked because they touched on core characters. Kirk trying to put aside his hatred and anger for the Klingons and Picard putting aside his anger and hatred of the Borg. All the odd numbered Star Treks are basically a two hour alien of the week episode. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/53 "2015-12-17T04:43:49Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What are you confused by? Just trying to understand of you were agreeing or disagreeing with me. Your point was basically the same as mine. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/54 "2015-12-17T04:52:57Z")
Well. It’s certainly… kinetic. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/55 "2015-12-17T07:21:12Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I don’t want to get into a semantic debate over science fiction vs science fantasy. But Star Trek is no more “hard science” than Star Wars. And in many ways it’s much more “fantasy” as Star Wars is at least consistent with the application of it’s fictional technology. That is to say, the Solo never reverses the polarity of the Falcon’s hyperdrive to allow it to travel 10x as fast (he’s lucky if it even works). No one injects graviton particles into the shield generator to turn it into a superweapon. Star Wars weapons and droids and vehicles do what they were designed to. And they don’t require the futuristic equivalent of MIT Phd West Point grads to operate. Aside from being set in the future Star Trek doesn’t often engage in what I would call SF. They do drama, comedy, romance, adventure, morality plays, etc. I put Star Wars in this camp as well, just set in a galaxy long ago and far away. Just various stories but in a futuristic setting. But Trek does do a real SF story at least occassionally. I can’t think of where Star Wars ever has. But I still enjoy them both. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432/56 "2015-12-17T07:31:28Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Just trying to understand of you Typo. “If,” not “of.” :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-beyond-trailer-is-here/740432.md?page=2)