# Star Trek Discovery Episode 10 (Week of 1/7/18) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 8, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101 "2018-01-08T03:16:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/21 "2018-01-09T02:16:19Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > You’re made of tougher stuff than me. I didn’t make it through two full episodes of MINO (MacGyver In Name Only.) The only thing I can say about MINO (I like that) is that it is so bad its become comedy bad. It’s almost sharknado vs megaoctodile bad. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/22 "2018-01-09T13:04:52Z")
I am disappointed that they’re using the Mirror Universe for a genuine plot arc. In TOS it worked well as a one off, TOS had plenty of goofy scripts and an instance of the main characters all happening to be on the same ship in 2 divergent universes can easily be handwaved away. In DS9 it wasn’t great but at least AFAICT Mirror Universe outbreaks were a one per season event, that did not then have any impact on the real universe’s ongoing plots. The Mirror Universe 2-parter in _Enterprise_ was far and away the best episode of _Voyager_, _Enterprise_ and _Discovery_, (so far) combined by a mile. I don’t like the idea that the Mirror Universe is being pulled into the “real” plot though. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/23 "2018-01-09T13:46:19Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I am disappointed that they’re using the Mirror Universe for a genuine plot arc. In TOS it worked well as a one off, TOS had plenty of goofy scripts and an instance of the main characters all happening to be on the same ship in 2 divergent universes can easily be handwaved away. In DS9 it wasn’t great but at least AFAICT Mirror Universe outbreaks were a one per season event, that did not then have any impact on the real universe’s ongoing plots. The Mirror Universe 2-parter in _Enterprise_ was far and away the best episode of _Voyager_, _Enterprise_ and _Discovery_, (so far) combined by a mile. > > I don’t like the idea that the Mirror Universe is being pulled into the “real” plot though. I suspect it was always part of the plot since it may be “our” Lorca was a Mirror native all along. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/24 "2018-01-09T13:54:09Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I suspect it was always part of the plot since it may be “our” Lorca was a Mirror native all along. happened at the destruction of his ship? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/25 "2018-01-09T14:42:02Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > I was extremely bothered by Culber’s death - you may remember me worrying they were planning to go the [Bury Your Gays](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuryYourGays) route with Stamets when he started having the weird side effects from the spore engine…having it (apparently) go that route, but with Culber, instead was very disappointing. > > [OTOH, Wilson Cruz, who plays Culber, says in an interview that it actually isn’t the end for him (he even references the trope by name).](https://www.inverse.com/article/39984-star-trek-discovery-dr-culber-death-wilson-cruz-love) So, I am mollified, for now. Assuming they don’t change direction, and didn’t tell him he’d be returning as misdirection (given Cruz is gay himself, I expect he’s sensitive enough to the issue that he wouldn’t lie about it if he knew that it _was_ a BYG sitch). > > Given that they’ve already done time weirdness, and showed Stamets’ connection to the spores, I am formulating theories about how the back half of the season will go. They’ll replace him with his mirror? Not sure what other route they could take. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/26 "2018-01-09T15:18:14Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > They’ll replace him with his mirror? Not sure what other route they could take. Time remnant. They’ll find a way to jump back to ‘just before’ the jump by reverseing the polarity of the flux incapacitor and invoke the omega 12 rule. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/27 "2018-01-09T16:45:13Z")
I really hate the “mirror universe” concept. It feels like bad fan fiction. I know it has a history in Trek, but now it seems like it’s going to be the main plot line for a while, so meh. It’s just so ridiculous to think that this universe somehow developed in a completely different way, that they have entirely different histories, and yet somehow everything happened almost identically with a slight twist. All the characters are still important people, still in the places you’d expect them to be - I mean, if their history is so different that there was never a federation and humans are warlike conquerers of the galaxy, why would any of our characters even exist? The circumstances that brought them to be born would be completely different. It’s like supposing there was an Earth where dinosaurs never went exinct, so the characters we know ride dinosaurs around like horses, instead of, you know, mammals never coming to dominate the land. It’s tolerable (but still bad) if it’s a one-off goofy episode where we get to see our favorite characters play bad versions of themselves, but this seems like it’s going to take it much deeper. Oh well. All this stuff you guys are speculating on about Voq and all that - is that from Enterprise? I stopped watching Treks after a season or so of Voyager so I’m not familiar at all but everyone seems to be able to make connections and see where the plot is going, so I’m assuming we’re seeing something from Enterprise from a different time or perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101/28 "2018-01-09T20:11:10Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > They’ll replace him with his mirror? Not sure what other route they could take. Like I said, spore-connected time shenanigans. It was established in the Mudd episode that Stamets’ connection to the spores has given him a loosened connection to time, and it’s his SO who was killed, so he has motive to push that (once his mind is uncracked). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-10-week-of-1-7-18/806101.md?page=1)