# Star Trek Discovery Episode 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 8, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283 "2017-10-08T10:10:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/1 "2017-10-08T10:10:57Z")
Starts streaming tonight… ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/2 "2017-10-09T02:16:19Z")
While watching I kept saying to myself: “I Like this but this isn’t Star Trek” “I like this but this isn’t Star Trek” “I like this but this isn’t Star Trek” Then they use science and understanding to solve their problem. “This \*is” Star Trek!" Also, a PSA to people with All Access. I checked mine at about 8:15 and the episode was already available to watch. I din’t have to wait until 8:30. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/3 "2017-10-09T13:49:31Z")
I hate the Klingon language. Watching something in French, Spanish, Japanese etc with subtitles is fine because they actually sound like languages that have been honed and smoothed by use. This is the first time I’ve heard extended dialogue in Klingon and boy does it sound wooden and constructed. Other than that, I’m enjoying the series so far and looking forward to where it’s leading. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/4 "2017-10-09T14:07:18Z")
So, when the writers decided that the big technology in _Discovery_ is a giant space tardigrade that talks to the spores of a giant space mushroom so that they will teleport ships across galactic distances, were those writers themselves on mushrooms? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/5 "2017-10-09T14:59:19Z")
You gotta admit: It’s _different_! ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/6 "2017-10-09T15:11:35Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > You gotta admit: It’s _different_! So was _Space 1999_. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/7 "2017-10-09T15:15:54Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So, when the writers decided that the big technology in _Discovery_ is a giant space tardigrade that talks to the spores of a giant space mushroom so that they will teleport ships across galactic distances, were those writers themselves on mushrooms? YOu’ve also got to wonder - if the other ship pushed the critter beyond its limits, causing the catastrophic results - and, assuming at some point this critter will die/be unusable when they need it the most - where they find a replacement for it. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/8 "2017-10-09T15:27:49Z")
I agree they need to top with the Klingon language. There is no reason they can’t use dramatic license and director’s tricks to have them talk English but make it clear they are speaking Klingon. Separately, the image of Klingons eating the other Captain was extremely gruesome. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/9 "2017-10-09T18:15:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So, when the writers decided that the big technology in _Discovery_ is a giant space tardigrade that talks to the spores of a giant space mushroom so that they will teleport ships across galactic distances, were those writers themselves on mushrooms? Yeah, it kinda seems like they arrived at this propulsion system via the tried-and-true MadLibs-method—“You cross interstellar distances using… mushroom spores! And navigate via… a giant mutant waterbear!” _cue everybody collapsing into hysterical laughter_. I’m still hoping that they’re being self-aware here with Michael’s “You think it’s aggressive because it looks different, and you’re judging it based on a single past incident”-speech—I mean, that was just too on the nose, right? But if so, there needs to be at least a little bit of payoff pretty soon, I think, ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/10 "2017-10-09T19:18:41Z")
It turns out that the tardigrade [was originally supposed to be on the bridge crew](https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/08/paleyfest-more-canon-characters-coming-to-star-trek-discovery-tardigrade-was-bridge-officer/). ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/11 "2017-10-09T19:30:41Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I hate the Klingon language. This is my biggest peeve, not so much the language, but the use of subtitles - destroys-any-movie (show) for me. In some instances OK, if they are short and add to the plot. The way STD does this is horrible and adds nothing. As for the content, it seems like a very dark chapter of Star Fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/12 "2017-10-09T20:13:52Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is my biggest peeve, not so much the language, but the use of subtitles - destroys-any-movie (show) for me. In some instances OK, if they are short and add to the plot. The way STD does this is horrible and adds nothing. > > As for the content, it seems like a very dark chapter of Star Fleet. Not sure if I’ve posted this here before, but my theory is all this crazy sciencing will wipe Discovery from the timeline. At which time i will wonder…what was the point? ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/13 "2017-10-09T20:41:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is my biggest peeve, not so much the language, but the use of subtitles - destroys-any-movie (show) for me. In some instances OK, if they are short and add to the plot. The way STD does this is horrible and adds nothing. > > As for the content, it seems like a very dark chapter of Star Fleet. Klingon makes German sound romantic and mellifluous. Short conversations and orders are OK, LONG, LONG scenes and exposition are decidedly not OK. They must already realize what a mistake that was. I mean, surely they do by now, right? But the episodes are in the can and they have to ride the decision they made until they have a chance to change it. It’s my hope that if the show deserves a second season, they will drop the all-Klingon soap opera and switch to English. Didn’t like this episode. Don’t like the spore engine - I could see if they derived inspiration from the spores as to how to navigate, but this is silly. I like the captain and Michael though, and Doug Jones turns in good work, whether or not the material is good. I’m strangely looking forward to the Harry Mudd episode, though I don’t know why. I know it’s just going to disappoint. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/14 "2017-10-09T20:45:33Z")
No threadshitting intended in this comment… These episode threads make me glad I am not watching it. You all’s descriptions and comments reinforce that I think I would hate this if I were watching it. But I’ll keep reading. Maybe it’ll all come around and make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/15 "2017-10-09T20:49:05Z")
Seems like the subtitled languages are happening on another show, ’ Fear the walking Dead’ is doing it ALOT with the Spanish speaking characters. At least it is a real language. Klingon is just crazy talk. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/16 "2017-10-09T20:54:52Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I’m still hoping that they’re being self-aware here with Michael’s “You think it’s aggressive because it looks different, and you’re judging it based on a single past incident”-speech—I mean, that was just too on the nose, right? And this was \*\*years \*\*before they encountered Mother Horta! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/17 "2017-10-09T20:58:11Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > I’m strangely looking forward to the Harry Mudd episode, though I don’t know why. I know it’s just going to disappoint. Probably going to retcon him into a pile of mud covered in hair. Also (in the actually somewhat clever if I do say so myself category) maybe they can accidentally kill the giant space mushroom, and the empty scars left behind by its rotted giant space mycelium can be the “trans-warp conduits” used by the Borg. Also, giant space tardigrade Borg. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/18 "2017-10-10T00:31:24Z")
“I must say one thing and will say this very clearly. If you are a person who really has a strict belief in the original, I would not advise that you watch this program…We really don’t stand true to the kind of characters that were built around the original. It definitely does break the mold. Some of the characters’ names are the same, but the intent and the way that we are building the reality is completely not the reality that was built in the original.” – Eduard James Olmos prior to the airing of the mini series on scifi This is not Roddenburys star trek and if you keep expecting to go boldly forth, I would expect that you are going to be disapointed. So with this series, I expect to go boldly forth and kill who ever you meet. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/19 "2017-10-10T07:55:21Z")
Im broadly enjoying it thus far. The spore drive is a lot too far to the magic rather than science side for my liking though. Presumably it has to fail catastrophically at some point as this ‘technology’ isn’t referenced in any other Trek set after this time period. I was glad the security officer died. The stupidity of her actions with the tardigrade deserved immediate death ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283/20 "2017-10-10T08:42:12Z")
So this is bad fanfiction which was filmed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-4/798283.md?page=2)