# Star Trek Discovery Episode 5 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988 "2017-10-15T20:27:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/1 "2017-10-15T20:27:46Z")
Starts streaming tonight… A recent Tweet by the writers in response to someone complaining about the darkness of the story said they are trying to tell a season long story about hope in a dark time. I suppose that is something to keep in mind while watching. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cdc98d/32.png) [@Hermione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/2 "2017-10-15T23:45:47Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Starts streaming tonight… > > A recent Tweet by the writers in response to someone complaining about the darkness of the story said they are trying to tell a season long story about hope in a dark time. I suppose that is something to keep in mind while watching. This. (I’m only going on what I’ve read–I don’t know when I’ll get to see more of the series. I’m reluctant to pay for a service to see basically one show.) The showrunners have also said that they plan to tell the story of how the crew, and the Federation, evolve from the more warlike footing they’re on now to the kind of sensibility we saw in TOS. (Also that the Klingon war’s only going to last a season.) I think that’s rather interesting–a “how we got here” kind of story. It’s also why I hope they don’t turn Lorca into an Admiral Marcus-like antagonist. Maybe it’s my affection for Jason Isaacs talking, but I think that’d be a waste of a potentially interesting character arc. We’ve already been-there-done-that with admirals/captains/officers who can’t move beyond a warlike mentality (Marcus, Balthasar Edison). Let’s see one who CAN, and how he does, in future seasons. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/3 "2017-10-16T01:28:54Z")
They should have given much more, paid for by commercials, on broadcast before switching to a paid model. It doesn’t even seem like Star Trek yet, and that is their Fn audience, and put out the offering plate now!!! ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/4 "2017-10-16T01:36:14Z")
> [@Hermione](#): > > This. (I’m only going on what I’ve read–I don’t know when I’ll get to see more of the series. I’m reluctant to pay for a service to see basically one show.) > > The showrunners have also said that they plan to tell the story of how the crew, and the Federation, evolve from the more warlike footing they’re on now\*\* to the kind of sensibility we saw in TOS.\*\* (Also that the Klingon war’s only going to last a season.) I think that’s rather interesting–a “how we got here” kind of story. > > It’s also why I hope they don’t turn Lorca into an Admiral Marcus-like antagonist. Maybe it’s my affection for Jason Isaacs talking, but I think that’d be a waste of a potentially interesting character arc. We’ve already been-there-done-that with admirals/captains/officers who can’t move beyond a warlike mentality (Marcus, Balthasar Edison). Let’s see one who CAN, and how he does, in future seasons. Uhm…what??? The Feds were more than happy to have an all-out showdown with the Klingons. Kirk even complains for a second when the Organians stop them. And given how quickly it happens, they must have been on the verge of war behind the scenes from Corbomite Maneuver on. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cdc98d/32.png) [@Hermione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/5 "2017-10-16T01:44:32Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Uhm…what??? > > The Feds were more than happy to have an all-out showdown with the Klingons. Kirk even complains for a second when the Organians stop them. > > And given how quickly it happens, they must have been on the verge of war behind the scenes from Corbomite Maneuver on. I get your meaning. I guess what I meant, and what the showrunners meant when they said that, is the kind of perception people usually have of Star Trek–of peace and exploration over war for its own sake. (I think that was one reason the makers of TOS wrote “Errand of Mercy”…they said they wanted to put the kibosh on an all-out state of war from the first Klingon episode because they DIDN’T want to make it a typical space war series, so they used the Organian treaty to set up more of a Cold-War-ish situation, which could be more of a grey area and allow for different kinds of stories around that conflict without sacrificing the kind of optimism Roddenberry was going for. And it allowed Kirk to question his _own_ attitudes as well in the course of it.) But I think it would be rather interesting to see how the Discovery and its captain and crew evolve from that state of all-out war to a different kind of footing. The makers of it have said that naming the ship and show “Discovery” is no accident…it’s about what the characters discover about themselves. And whenever I _do_ get to see it, I think it’ll be most fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/6 "2017-10-16T02:30:44Z")
Well - Robert April is now in canon. Not sure who that Decker guy was tho. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/7 "2017-10-16T02:34:14Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well - Robert April is now in canon. > > Not sure who that Decker guy was tho. Did Matt Decker make an appearance? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/8 "2017-10-16T02:41:47Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Did Matt Decker make an appearance? On the list of Captians that was pulled up - a Decker is on it (now can’t remember if it was Mathew or not) - I ‘assumed’ at the time (and when I wrote that post) it was a reference to [Willard Decker (from STTMP)](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Willard_Decker) - but now recall [Commodore Mat Decker from TOS](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Matt_Decker). The list had Robert April Jonathan Archer \ Decker (likely Mathew) A name I dont recognize Christopher Pike ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/9 "2017-10-16T02:49:46Z")
> [@simster](#): > > On the list of Captians that was pulled up - a Decker is on it (now can’t remember if it was Mathew or not) - I ‘assumed’ at the time (and when I wrote that post) it was a reference to [Willard Decker (from STTMP)](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Willard_Decker) - but now recall [Commodore Mat Decker from TOS](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Matt_Decker). > > The list had > > Robert April > Jonathan Archer > \ Decker (likely Mathew) > A name I dont recognize > Christopher Pike Heh, They should have had an aged Archer make an appearance as Kelley did for TNG. Mutter something about his beagle being lost in a transporter, then wander off. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/10 "2017-10-16T02:57:24Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Heh, They should have had an aged Archer make an appearance as Kelley did for TNG. Mutter something about his beagle being lost in a transporter, then wander off. Except that only really works for ships named Enterprise. But I agree - would have been great. ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/11 "2017-10-16T04:04:29Z")
> [@simster](#): > > On the list of Captians that was pulled up - a Decker is on it (now can’t remember if it was Mathew or not) - I ‘assumed’ at the time (and when I wrote that post) it was a reference to [Willard Decker (from STTMP)](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Willard_Decker) - but now recall [Commodore Mat Decker from TOS](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Matt_Decker). > > The list had > > Robert April > Jonathan Archer > \ Decker (likely Mathew) > A name I dont recognize > Christopher Pike It was a list of high performing captains, not necessary the ones on Enterprise and the list was Robert April Jonathan Archer Matthew Decker (from the Doomsday Machine) Philippa Georgiou (from the pilot episodes) Christopher Pike Also in the episode when the prisoner is fighting the klingon, I couldn’t tell if just him was fighting him or whether it was him and the captain fighting together. The editing and fast cuts made it difficult to tell 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/12 "2017-10-16T04:45:59Z")
That was pretty fuckin’ OK. Less Klingon speechifyin’ makes for a better time. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/13 "2017-10-16T11:00:13Z")
This was a solid episode. I liked the focus on some other characters to give them some depth. Not sure I liked how willing Saru was to sacrifice the creature but I suppose he was unsure and desperate. Also felt like the two "fucking"s were more gratuitous than funny. Wondering what happens next given the ending. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/14 "2017-10-16T13:18:51Z")
I see that STD is continuing the trope that an animal that looks somewhat similar to an Earth animal posses\* all \*traits of that Earth animal (horizontal gene transfer, desiccating when stressed.) Also, was that the first ever Trek “f-bomb”, or was it dropped in one of the reboot movies? ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/15 "2017-10-16T13:34:29Z")
There were F-bombs??!? I totally did not hear them. (The language at my day job is fairly salty, and F-bombs are routine.) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/16 "2017-10-16T13:43:19Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > There were F-bombs??!? I totally did not hear them. (The language at my day job is fairly salty, and F-bombs are routine.) Paraphrased. Tilly: “Fucking Awesome… sorry” Stamets: “No, you’re right cadet, it is fucking awesome” ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/17 "2017-10-16T13:44:09Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Also, was that the first ever Trek “f-bomb”, or was it dropped in one of the reboot movies? I don’t recall there being any previous instances. And we were treated to _two_ f-bombs in rapid succession last night. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/18 "2017-10-16T13:50:16Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > Paraphrased. > > Tilly: “Fucking Awesome… sorry” > > Stamets: “No, you’re right cadet, it is fucking awesome” Wow. I _DID_ hear that. Yet it totally flew under my radar. :smack: I blame lack of coffee. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/19 "2017-10-16T13:53:03Z")
What do you all think of the casting? There are some who are probably relieved that Michelle Yeoh bowed out of the show quickly. Her performance in the first episode(s) was a bit wooden. On the whole, I’m pleased with the acting thus far. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988/20 "2017-10-16T14:01:00Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > I don’t recall there being any previous instances. And we were treated to _two_ f-bombs in rapid succession last night. The raciest it ever was in the past was a ‘Damn…’ From Lt Savvik. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-5/798988.md?page=2)