# Star Trek Discovery Episode 6 (Week of 10/22/17) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 22, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542 "2017-10-22T14:26:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/1 "2017-10-22T14:26:36Z")
Starts Streaming tonight. Note: the last few weeks it has been available earlier than 8:30 pm. ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/2 "2017-10-23T01:17:45Z")
It was available earlier again, Strictly a character developing episode further developing the characters and conflicts on the ship. Still highly unrealistic but very entertaining. Fortunately, not much of the gay couple is shown. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/3 "2017-10-23T08:07:14Z")
possibly spoiler-ish plot theory [spoiler]So. . .new chief of security, against all reason, is the white-faced Klingon, right? White-faced Klingon disappears from show after his 2nd-in-command/girlfriend says she will take him somewhere to show him things he never knew possible, but that he will have to sacrifice, “everything.” Klingon 2nd-in-command chases after escaping prisoner, saying “Do you think you could leave me after we’ve been through?” There’s something else I’m forgetting. . .but he somehow, in a very short time, turned himself so human that medical scans don’t detect it, and even MORE improbably, he turned himself into a likable, respectable Starfleet officer that people interact with frequently, even earning a position of authority. Captain made a point of saying to the Admiral that he checked him out, and the holodeck exercise showed him getting to know his new chief of security. Oh yes. . . Checkov’s tribble. The captain’s pet will come into play. I wouldn’t mind if he turned himself human-ish long enough to get on the Discovery and do mischief, but it just doesn’t seem possible that an alien race that dismisses and hates humans as much as the Klingons could infiltrate this completely, this quickly.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/4 "2017-10-23T11:39:52Z")
Okay, the spoilered material doesn’t make much sense unless you are already aware of [this](http://www.gamesradar.com/star-trek-discovery-theory-klingon-human-voq-tyler/) theory about future plot developments. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/5 "2017-10-23T14:19:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Okay, the spoilered material doesn’t make much sense unless you are already aware of [this](http://www.gamesradar.com/star-trek-discovery-theory-klingon-human-voq-tyler/) theory about future plot developments. I disagree that it, “doesn’t make much sense.” I would agree that my case was weak, though. I was going to come back and post more about it, but decided that the link above involved outside-the-show information, and was spoilerish. And since that link was a major part of making my case for the theory above, I just decided to ask the mods to spoiler my previous post it and let it go. Yes, that link details the strongest bit of supporting evidence, and I do believe that’s where they are going. I’m not happy about it, as I said above. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/6 "2017-10-23T16:05:47Z")
FYI Discovery has been renewed for a second season today. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/7 "2017-10-23T18:57:01Z")
Also, I think that the should ditch the uniforms and have everyone on the ship always walking around with a shirt that says “Disco” on it. _Especially_ Saru or whatever his name is. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/8 "2017-10-23T21:12:31Z")
Lorco is most definitely not a well man. When the admiral left the ship I just muttered to myself “That’s the last we’ll see of her” and my only concern was exactly how she was going to disappear. **Face lntentionally left blank** I think you’re wrong in your underpinning assessment. There’s been a cold war between the species for decades at this point, and I find the parallels to our current world somewhat obvious. As for timeline, they’ve deliberately not given us star dates since the opening ep, so it’s easily been 8 months or more since the mutiny. What did the admiral say – that Lorca was being tortured just a few weeks ago? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/9 "2017-10-23T23:06:37Z")
If the new guy turns out to be the Klingon from 8 months ago I’ll be flabbergasted. They can’t possibly do that, it’s just not a believable turn of events. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/10 "2017-10-23T23:22:06Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > If the new guy turns out to be the Klingon from 8 months ago I’ll be flabbergasted. They can’t possibly do that, it’s just not a believable turn of events. That is also my issue with it. I don’t believe it’s possible for a Klingon to fake being a human starfleet officer for so long. They hate and despise the federation, what good info would they have on social interaction? They can science-wank the physical transformation, but his fake identity should not hold up under extended scrutiny. At least make the guy a damaged loner or something, anything to keep ppl at a distance and lampshade his successful subterfuge. No, the guy is chief of security, and apparently sociable and likable. Even ‘hot’, if ensign redhead is to believed. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/11 "2017-10-24T01:33:45Z")
Maybe instead of him being a Klingon, he was instead broken by the Klingons, and is being used as a spy. This is more plausible to me, and also has the advantage of making the possibility of two guys escaping from a Klingon prison, unscathed a bit more understandable - because they wanted him to escape. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/12 "2017-10-24T02:17:46Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Maybe instead of him being a Klingon, he was instead broken by the Klingons, and is being used as a spy. This is more plausible to me, and also has the advantage of making the possibility of two guys escaping from a Klingon prison, unscathed a bit more understandable - because they wanted him to escape. Ok, yeah, I could get on board with that. Now I’ve got something to hope for. /I kind of like the new security chief dude, hoping he’s not a Klingon. ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/13 "2017-10-24T02:49:09Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Lorco is most definitely not a well man. > When the admiral left the ship I just muttered to myself “That’s the last we’ll see of her” and my only concern was exactly how she was going to disappear. > > **Face lntentionally left blank** > I think you’re wrong in your underpinning assessment. There’s been a cold war between the species for decades at this point, and I find the parallels to our current world somewhat obvious. > As for timeline, they’ve deliberately not given us star dates since the opening ep, so it’s easily been 8 months or more since the mutiny. What did the admiral say – that Lorca was being tortured just a few weeks ago? The admiral is only listed on IMDB as appearing in 3 episodes. Good chance the next one is her last ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/14 "2017-10-24T14:26:38Z")
ST:TNG, as among some of it’s faults, got a little “preachy” some times. In other words, the members of Starfleet held themselves to a high moral/ethical standard, sometimes to what might seem as a naïve or counter productive level. What do y’all think the chances are the Starfleet Command is going to hold Lorca accountable for “allowing” his officers to conduct genetic experiments on themselves? (Specifically, the Chief Engineer inserting Tartigrade genetic code into himself.) Can or should higher authority hold the C.O. accountable for ordering, or at least creating the “atmosphere” that encourages or forces the officers to consider as acceptable, the genetic experimentation on living animals (including some that might be sentient)? Will they do this? As near as I can tell, Admiral Cornwell seemed more concerned that Lorca was probably suffering from PTSD. (She may have been ill informed as to what is all going on, on the _Discovery_.) ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/15 "2017-10-24T14:31:21Z")
So, is no one going to comment on what I believe is the first example of [blatant product placement](https://shop.startrek.com/product/Z1CTSTK221/star-trek-discovery-disco-tshirt?cp=null) in Star Trek history? ---
**Author:** ![gregorio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@gregorio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gregorio)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/16 "2017-10-24T15:31:40Z")
2nd. Medallions here! Get your medallions here! > **[IDIC](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/IDIC)** > > IDIC was an acronym for Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations, the basis of Vulcan philosophy, celebrating the vast array of variables in the universe. The philosophy, as well as the Vulcan people, were often represented by a... “The invention of the IDIC by Gene Roddenberry caused friction between him and Leonard Nimoy, who saw it as a cheap ploy to sell replica merchandise to fans. (I Am Spock)” ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/17 "2017-10-24T15:52:24Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So, is no one going to comment on what I believe is the first example of [blatant product placement](https://shop.startrek.com/product/Z1CTSTK221/star-trek-discovery-disco-tshirt?cp=null) in Star Trek history? Hey, Disco Stu doesn’t advertise! ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/18 "2017-10-24T17:27:03Z")
One thing I enjoyed about this episode is it adds an extra dimension to Journey to Babel. Now Sarek’s disappointment in Spock makes more sense and seems less petty. Freeing the slot for Spock was a real sacrifice and Spock rejected it. I can see why Sarek would get “mad” at that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/19 "2017-10-24T17:32:44Z")
> [@gregorio](#): > > 2nd. Medallions here! Get your medallions here! > > [IDIC | Memory Alpha | Fandom](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/IDIC) > > “The invention of the IDIC by Gene Roddenberry caused friction between him and Leonard Nimoy, who saw it as a cheap ploy to sell replica merchandise to fans. (I Am Spock)” Well, now we have to spend six months arguing about the definition of “blatant”. ---
**Author:** ![gregorio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@gregorio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gregorio)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542/20 "2017-10-24T17:52:47Z")
Was there shilling on the air for the shirts? I watch on Space (as I’m guessing you do based on your location), but zip through the commercials with my PVR. I didn’t even think of official merchandise when I googled for a photo of Burnham and Tilly to get a better look at the shirts. Seeing the results, I was all, “of course there’s merch.” Blatant or insidious, which is worse? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episode-6-week-of-10-22-17/799542.md?page=2)