# Star Trek Discovery Episodes 1 and 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235 "2017-09-24T23:13:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/101 "2017-09-26T03:54:27Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Well, I just saw it and I loved it. > > I really don’t get the requirement here to over-analyze everything. > > It’s a TV show; it’s entertainment. > > I was entertained, therefore I like it. That is what we love to do. Does Don Cherry over analyze hockey games? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/102 "2017-09-26T04:41:33Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Yes, Scotty understood it was like “sending up a flare.” And Kirk, despite pressure, refused to leave the planet, and was plenty close enough to it to see both the disk and the flare. TOS hardly ever made blunders like light going many light years in an hour. I watched some very early (early 1950s) sci-fi shows where the writers had no real concept that stars are much further away than planets. Current Trek seems to have reverted to this level of scientific ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/103 "2017-09-26T04:43:09Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > I think they went with the “Track suits designed by Otto von Bismarck” look, which is certainly something else. I like it! Sturm und drab. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/104 "2017-09-26T04:49:29Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Nail on the head. I have absolutely no love for JJ’s version of Star Trek - he has completely missed the point of alll of it, and this show is most definitely a version of JJ’s Star Trek, not the Star Trek that I grew up with and loved. Two moments when JJ went dead to me: 1. When Kirk made the simulation trivial, and smirked about beating it. The real Kirk knew that the fun was in the shock value of not losing. JJ’s Kirk probably cheats at solitaire. 2. When Spock, right after his home is destroyed and his mother dies, decides the best thing to do is dump his upbringing and hit on Uhura. > [@](#): > > I didn’t hate Discovery, but I like it better when I apply “World War Z” logic to it - don’t think of it as Star Trek, just a science fiction show that happens, for some unknown reason, to include the words “Star Trek” in the title. Some unknown reason? The reason is quite obvious: $$$$$$$$$$$ ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/105 "2017-09-26T05:50:59Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Two moments when JJ went dead to me: > > 1. When Kirk made the simulation trivial, and smirked about beating it. The real Kirk knew that the fun was in the shock value of not losing. JJ’s Kirk probably cheats at solitaire. > 2. When Spock, right after his home is destroyed and his mother dies, decides the best thing to do is dump his upbringing and hit on Uhura. > > Some unknown reason? The reason is quite obvious: > $$$$$$$$$$$ Mine is all the deconstruction at the expense of Kirk Kirk could never beat Khan! Shit lets have him not even able to hurt Khan! Kirk cheats? He’d be busted, not praised. Kirk breaks the PD?? He’d be demoted! Kirk didn’t really fuck green-skinned women? Make him fuck green-skinned women! And lets have Kirk run screaming like a little girl while we’re at it. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/106 "2017-09-26T10:34:29Z")
Re: Michael. My understanding is naming female characters with traditionally male names is an affectation of Bryan Fuller’s. Something else. I mentioned The Battle of Donatu V in my post and apparently it was actually mentioned in the episode as happening and I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/107 "2017-09-26T12:39:42Z")
Sucked big donkey balls. Cdr Wannabe Vulcan/Spock’s unnmentioned human adopted sister is easy on the eyes and, not much else. New!Sarek is fine. The red haired helmsman/helmsperson/helmsSentientBeing, seems to exist to loom shocked and nothing else. She was so much better than Lt ChickenMeat, despite havng about 1/20th the lines. And Ensign Guy-With-Brain-Implant:rolleyes: . Well, its on Netflix, thats good. I an catch a few shows on boring workdays. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/108 "2017-09-26T15:55:59Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I watched some very early (early 1950s) sci-fi shows where the writers had no real concept that stars are much further away than planets. No _Star Trek_ series’ special effects teams understood that stars are much bigger than starships, and far apart. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/109 "2017-09-26T16:18:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > No _Star Trek_ series’ special effects teams understood that stars are much bigger than starships, and far apart. And that space is not, for the most part, brightly lit. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/110 "2017-09-26T17:01:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > No _Star Trek_ series’ special effects teams understood that stars are much bigger than starships, and far apart. TOS was the first show ever on TV which knew you couldn’t travel between stars by pushing the accelerator pedal of your ship down real hard. Give them credit for that. However distances between stars are a function of the plot, not galactic structure. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/111 "2017-09-26T19:05:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Doesn’t work with a product that isn’t addictive, though. I guess they didn’t think of that. 😃 > > I liked the opening credits and look and feel was good, except for the Klingons which looked ridiculous. The plot was typical crappy network TV, and I’d give it a C-. I don’t need to see any more. Listening to the opening credits, about half way through, I turned to my friend, and said “Game of Thrones called, they want their cellos back.” I watched both eps. Not so great that I’m going to go out of my way for it, or to get all access myself, but some friends have it, so I will not have a problem watching with them ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/112 "2017-09-26T19:59:15Z")
After some thought, I’ve decided I like the plot but hate the trappings. Apparent cloaking, dumb looking anachronistic ships, dumb looking Klingons. Too much Abrams. And worst, it’s not required. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/113 "2017-09-26T19:59:24Z")
My kid and I just rewatched the entire original series on blu-ray, and I was instantly reminded of how much better it was than subsequent series. If you get past the cheezy 60’s era effects and mores, TOS had real characters, real science fiction plots with complex and subtle points to make, and there wasn’t an over-reliance of technobabble being used as deux-ex-machina. To be sure there was a bit of that, and there were more than a few stinker episodes. But the bad episodes were in the minority, while with TNG the good episodes were in the minority. I was going to watch the new series, but forgot to record it. Now I realize I don’t care enough about it to try and catch up. If it’s like the JJ Abrams movies…pass. Abrams stripped out of Star Trek everything I loved about it, and kept the explosions and silly plot devices. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/114 "2017-09-26T20:04:31Z")
Another thing that annoys me - why does every new Star Trek have to turn the bridge into a glass and steel corporate office? Why can’t someone figure out a way to take the original bridge design and simply modernize it? Replace the cheezy pushbuttons with touchscreens, sure. But keep the layout, the color scheme, etc. The new series is in roughly the same era as TOS. Large military vessels don’t change much in 10years. Making the ‘older’ ships look way more advanceed than the original enterprise makes it very hard to place this series in time. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/115 "2017-09-26T21:59:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Listening to the opening credits, about half way through, I turned to my friend, and said “Game of Thrones called, they want their cellos back.” Heh! I do remember thinking “this reminds me of something”, and now I know why. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/116 "2017-09-27T01:42:36Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > \ > Some unknown reason? The reason is quite obvious: > $$$$$$$$$$$ I meant from the perspective of there is virtually nothing in the show that I consider linking it to Roddenberry’s Star Trek universe. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/117 "2017-09-27T01:45:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Listening to the opening credits, about half way through, I turned to my friend, and said “Game of Thrones called, they want their cellos back.” > \ I also thought it was quite a bit like the themes from the Marvel shows on Netflix. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/118 "2017-09-27T02:20:40Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I liked that it didnt have a ‘happy ending’ - it set up the conflict well and explained both the Klingon person’s POV as well as Michael’s response to it - and I like that it didn’t work out - she wasn’t given command for ‘orginal thinking’ and (without seeing any previews) she is being punished for her actions. > > I’m understandably curious as to where they take it. > > And I really hate having to pay for the privelege of watching a ton of fucking commercials during the show. If I’m not mistaken, you can pay even more and get it commercial free. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/119 "2017-09-27T02:26:11Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Well, I just saw it and I loved it. > > I really don’t get the requirement here to over-analyze everything. > > It’s a TV show; it’s entertainment. > > I was entertained, therefore I like it. This is complete nonsense. _M_A_S_H\* was entertainment, but so was _Joanie Loves Chachi_. Are you seriously asserting that you would have loved the latter, as you might have loved the former, simply because both were “entertainment”? :eek: The show isn’t being “over-analyzed”. The show is being scrutinized because some people have more emotional depth than your average teaspoon (thank-you, Hermione Granger!), and thus don’t just go, “Ooooh, shining lights, entertaining!” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235/120 "2017-09-27T02:59:24Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > TOS was the first show ever on TV which knew you couldn’t travel between stars by pushing the accelerator pedal of your ship down real hard. Give them credit for that. > However distances between stars are a function of the plot, not galactic structure. The stars were very, very tiny. About the size of a human. And very close together. I’m surprised _Enterprise_ didn’t hit a bunch of them. I’m talking about the special effects, of course. Having stars streaking by the ship gave the impression of speed. But even as a child I knew that stars wouldn’t be flying past the ship like that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-episodes-1-and-2/797235.md?page=7)