# Star Trek Discovery Season 2 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [January 25, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363 "2019-01-25T03:18:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/101 "2019-03-15T15:21:03Z")
Really enjoyed this episode even if I wish the character development had been done more in advance. They would have the freedom to do that if they were more episodic and less serialized but what can you do? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/102 "2019-03-16T22:44:22Z")
So is all this AI vulnerability going to result in more than just a scrapping of holo tech…but a complete retrofit to TOS-look stuff?? I know a lot of people say “Mannn just move forward. Stop looking back and trying to appease old fans” I personally find that insulting. That said, I’d be fine with old-school look. TOS looks great and it looked great in Trials and Tribbleations. I also would be fine with a modified retrofit look. And I’d be fine with no retrofit. I’m just not fine with the veiled and not-so-veiled insults at fandom as if ALL fandom are toxic assholes. Also…are Spock and Pike going to be permanent cast members? How is that going to be reconciled? “Hows Enterprise doing No.1?” “Still in repairs” “k.” Two years later: “Still in repairs” ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/103 "2019-03-17T22:26:44Z")
Well that was a terrible episode. Any episode where they mysteriously forget the signature technology of Star Trek to allow a character to die is nonsense. Come on, the final act BEGAN with three people TRANSPORTING onto the space station. There is no, absolutely no, reason people were not beamed into the brig in that final act. Terrible. Absolutely terrible, lazy-ass writing and producing. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/104 "2019-03-17T22:50:34Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Well that was a terrible episode. > > Any episode where they mysteriously forget the signature technology of Star Trek to allow a character to die is nonsense. > > Come on, the final act BEGAN with three people TRANSPORTING onto the space station. There is no, absolutely no, reason people were not beamed into the brig in that final act. > > Terrible. Absolutely terrible, lazy-ass writing and producing. Havent seen it but I read a synopsis. In my HEAD…if its all placed in the right order, I thought it was great. Especially the stuff about deleting memories and holding onto the memory of her and her husband. I quite like the notion of Control too…not so hot on the time travel stuff though. If they keep Spock and Pike and integrate everyone on Enterprise…I’ll sign up for CBS. Or if they make Archer the Red Angel, Ill sign up. Those are my conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/105 "2019-03-17T23:29:03Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Well that was a terrible episode. > > Any episode where they mysteriously forget the signature technology of Star Trek to allow a character to die is nonsense. > > Come on, the final act BEGAN with three people TRANSPORTING onto the space station. There is no, absolutely no, reason people were not beamed into the brig in that final act. > > Terrible. Absolutely terrible, lazy-ass writing and producing. It seemed an obvious solution. I thought I must have missed a throw-away line where Control has fargled the glatzenbergers so that it wasn’t possible. I don’t understand why Spock’s big question is “why me?”. Not “what causes it?” or “how do I stop it?”. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/106 "2019-03-17T23:54:08Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Well that was a terrible episode. > > Any episode where they mysteriously forget the signature technology of Star Trek to allow a character to die is nonsense. > > Come on, the final act BEGAN with three people TRANSPORTING onto the space station. There is no, absolutely no, reason people were not beamed into the brig in that final act. > > Terrible. Absolutely terrible, lazy-ass writing and producing. I’ll add to the lack of transporters, with suddenly ineffective phasers. In a universe where small hand phasers can disintegrate things, suddenly a phaser rifle can’t even open a door? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/107 "2019-03-18T01:45:09Z")
I imagine there is already a trope name for when in a single episode a minor character suddenly gets a ton of backstory followed by a completely forced OMG SO EMOTIONAL SO VERY IMPORTANT death scene. I don’t know the name of that trope, but for me, it will be known as Fartboting. Seriously, “You adored me and I adore you, too?” Is there a left field in the galaxy big enough for that to have come out of? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/108 "2019-03-18T02:19:54Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > I imagine there is already a trope name for when in a single episode a minor character suddenly gets a ton of backstory followed by a completely forced OMG SO EMOTIONAL SO VERY IMPORTANT death scene. [A Death In the Limelight](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ADeathInTheLimelight). (No, I didn’t already know that–I found it on [the episode recap page](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekDiscoveryS2E09ProjectDaedalus).) > [@](#): > > Seriously, “You adored me and I adore you, too?” Is there a left field in the galaxy big enough for that to have come out of? Can you imagine if that had been said by Kirk and Spock at the end of ST2tRoK? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/109 "2019-03-18T02:36:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [A Death In the Limelight](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ADeathInTheLimelight). (No, I didn’t already know that–I found it on [the episode recap page](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekDiscoveryS2E09ProjectDaedalus).) > > Can you imagine if that had been said by Kirk and Spock at the end of ST2tRoK? I believe that would be ST2tWoK. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/110 "2019-03-18T02:50:30Z")
I wonder if [this](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Discovery_personnel?file=Alien_bridge_officer%2C_2256.png) will get [DEL]a chance to express how much it loves Tilly[/DEL] meaningful character development? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/111 "2019-03-18T03:56:15Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > So is all this AI vulnerability going to result in more than just a scrapping of holo tech…but a complete retrofit to TOS-look stuff?? I know a lot of people say “Mannn just move forward. Stop looking back and trying to appease old fans” > > I personally find that insulting. That said, I’d be fine with old-school look. TOS looks great and it looked great in Trials and Tribbleations. I also would be fine with a modified retrofit look. And I’d be fine with no retrofit. I’m just not fine with the veiled and not-so-veiled insults at fandom as if ALL fandom are toxic assholes. Holographs and “modern” graphics are just data output. For all we know that the TOS era _Enterprise_ had much more powerful computers but less flashy and graphical data output. We see in in real life, SuperComputers are a lot more Spartan than commercial ones. > **[The 8 most powerful supercomputers in the world](https://futurism.com/the-eight-most-powerful-supercomputers-in-the-world)** > > The average computer has a 2 core processors. This one has 10,600,000. > [@](#): > > Also…are Spock and Pike going to be permanent cast members? How is that going to be reconciled? “Hows Enterprise doing No.1?” “Still in repairs” “k.” > > Two years later: “Still in repairs” [/QUOTE] So? A refit can take years. They are not going to waste a pair of trained officers. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/112 "2019-03-18T11:13:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Holographs and “modern” graphics are just data output. For all we know that the TOS era _Enterprise_ had much more powerful computers but less flashy and graphical data output. WAIT! Wait. That reminded me of another thing that was terrible about this episode. Since WHEN do Star Trek’s ubiquitous surveillance cameras record infrared? And have the bridge display also show infrared as a matter of course? Seriously, that was a WTF moment. Don’t get me wrong: I love the character development and would like to see more of it, but not at the expense of everyone in the bridge taking stupid pills for the final five minutes of an episode. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/113 "2019-03-18T12:28:54Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Well that was a terrible episode. > > Any episode where they mysteriously forget the signature technology of Star Trek to allow a character to die is nonsense. > > Come on, the final act BEGAN with three people TRANSPORTING onto the space station. There is no, absolutely no, reason people were not beamed into the brig in that final act. > > Terrible. Absolutely terrible, lazy-ass writing and producing. I’m not sure you understood what was happening. There were plenty of ways they could have saved her but she didn’t want saving. She was sacrificing herself to keep the ship safe. No one forgot about transporters. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/114 "2019-03-18T13:05:22Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I’m not sure you understood what was happening. There were plenty of ways they could have saved her but she didn’t want saving. She was sacrificing herself to keep the ship safe. No one forgot about transporters. exactly - she specifically said “I cannot control the cybernetic stuff - when I get out of here I will kill you and I will destroy discovery” Other points with regards to phasers not working on her - taken -but are also to show that somehow her upgrades/cybernetics were somehow immune or less affected, making beaming her onto discovery even more problematic. Against teh door(s) - well - those were prison doors. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/115 "2019-03-19T13:01:56Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I’m not sure you understood what was happening. There were plenty of ways they could have saved her but she didn’t want saving. She was sacrificing herself to keep the ship safe. No one forgot about transporters. Burnham was trying to stop her from uploading the file but was unable to do so. Airiam was asking to be blown into space because she couldn’t stop herself any longer. But there was nothing wrong with the transporter. Airiam wouldn’t have done much sitting inside the brig – or sitting inside a transparent aluminum crate being towed via a tractor beam. And she could have been transported there after being blown into space. I repeat: weak-ass writing. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/116 "2019-03-19T13:45:17Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Burnham was trying to stop her from uploading the file but was unable to do so. Airiam was asking to be blown into space because she couldn’t stop herself any longer. > But there was nothing wrong with the transporter. Airiam wouldn’t have done much sitting inside the brig – or sitting inside a transparent aluminum crate being towed via a tractor beam. > And she could have been transported there after being blown into space. > > I repeat: weak-ass writing. I disagree - weak writing would be to have her redeemed by the end of the episode and part of the regular crew without repercussions (Tyler/Voq) - this was a staple of every other “crew member gone bad for 60 minute episode” (Data would have been sold for spare parts the FIRST time he locked me out of my ship). Strong writing to have them actually have to sacrifice the character - space is dangerous, this AI is/was clearly dangerous - and even had transporting worked (maybe the Prison nature of that particular area was such that transporters couldn’t) - what then? (Isaac) How would you be able to trust said char to be in control from “now on” ? Far stronger writing to have the ‘ultimate sacrifice’ and then deal with the repercussions of that. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/117 "2019-03-19T13:51:07Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I disagree - weak writing would be to have her redeemed by the end of the episode and part of the regular crew without repercussions (Tyler/Voq) That would have been the default choice and it’s been done to death on Star Trek. A better option would have been to leave her in a box and continue dealing with her for the rest of the season. (and this is Star Trek, not Battlestar Galactica, so selling Data for spare parts is not an option). ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/118 "2019-03-19T14:18:52Z")
> [@simster](#): > > How would you be able to trust said char to be in control from “now on” ? Far stronger writing to have the ‘ultimate sacrifice’ and then deal with the repercussions of that. As I said earlier, you use a disruptor on pod people e.g. the doctor. You don’t assume that just because it looks like your dead lover it is. I also don’t throw out my computer after cleaning viruses from it. Sent from my SM-N910U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/119 "2019-03-19T14:35:51Z")
I thought the episode was well done. My only complaint was I wish they introduced her backstory sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363/120 "2019-03-19T21:36:12Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > If they keep Spock and Pike and integrate everyone on Enterprise…I’ll sign up for CBS. Or if they make Archer the Red Angel, Ill sign up. Those are my conditions. No word on what happens to spock, but Anson Mount exits Discovery at the end of season 2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-2-thread/828363.md?page=7)