# Star Trek Discovery season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [November 19, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597 "2021-11-19T02:56:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/101 "2022-01-02T04:07:13Z")
Lower Decks is the Trekiest Trek that is Trekking now. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/102 "2022-01-02T04:15:30Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > To be fair\*, Lower Decks kicks TNG’s ass. Right, but the claim was TNG wasn’t good. Or more precisely I think it was forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/103 "2022-01-02T04:27:50Z")
Oh. It was a Sam Stone observation. Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/104 "2022-01-02T15:17:10Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Right, but the claim was TNG wasn’t good. Or more precisely I think it was forgotten. Technically, he said: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The only good Star Trek since the original movies is _Lower Decks_ . Since the last film featuring some of the “Original cast” came out after the last episode of TNG was aired, it’s technically possible he didn’t include TNG in that assessment. > **[List of Star Trek films | Star Trek Generations (1994)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_films#Star_Trek_Generations_(1994))** > > Picard enlists the help of Kirk, who is presumed long dead but flourishes in an extra-dimensional realm, to prevent a deranged scientist (Malcolm McDowell) from destroying a star and its populated planetary system in an attempt to enter that realm. This film also included original crew members Scotty (James Doohan) and Chekov (Walter Koenig). > Following seven seasons of The Next Generation, the next Star Trek film was the first to feature the crew of the Enterprise-D, along with a long prologue s... > **[List of Star Trek television series | The Next Generation (1987–1994)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_television_series#The_Next_Generation_(1987%E2%80%931994))** > > Star Trek: The Next Generation, frequently abbreviated as TNG, takes place about a century after The Original Series (2364–2370). It features a new starship, Enterprise-D, and a new crew led by Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) and Commander William Riker (Jonathan Frakes). Some crew members represent new alien races, including Deanna Troi, a half-Betazoid counselor played by Marina Sirtis. Michael Dorn plays Worf, the first Klingon officer in Starfleet, alongside Gates McFadden as Dr. Be... ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/105 "2022-01-02T16:57:19Z")
Yeah, I didn’t mean to exclude TNG. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/106 "2022-01-02T17:08:58Z")
I am actually enjoying the current season. I hate the maudlin performance every single character has and how every single emotional beat this show has ever done has been unearned but the plots this season are much better and more Trek like, I like the optimistic outlook it exhibits and I liked this week’s episode in particular as I am a sucker for Trek politics. An aside: they had a galactic wide conference and two notable absences were the Klingon Empire and The Dominion. I suspect they left the Klingons out to avoid reminding people of the terrible early seasons and also to avoid showing them look like the terrible early seasons or the right way. As for The Dominion, I suspect they want to keep their current status a mystery so they can use them later. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/107 "2022-01-02T18:08:05Z")
I have managed to make it through most of Episode 6, which had a promising Star Trek plot; Discovery being stuck in a weird little void is an interesting, very classic ST episode idea. They have, sadly, decided to solve the problem by getting into the ship computer’s emotions. This is not a show that needed more emotion. It remains bizarre that the captain of the vessel is unable to demonstrate the calm confidence you would expect of a person in that position. The acting in this episode has been really bad, notably Stamets, whose constantly miffed expressions are becoming more extreme, and Robot Prom Date, whose acting in this episode has been absolutely horrific. It’s not clear to me if RPD is just that badly written/directed or if having more to do is exposing the actor’s limitations. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/108 "2022-01-02T20:27:35Z")
oh - just wait - it gets better! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/109 "2022-01-03T09:50:29Z")
At least in the Void episode, Burnham stayed behind because it was her duty as Captain, not because she is so special. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/110 "2022-01-03T14:46:32Z")
yeah- but ‘why’ ? -wasn’t the computer able to navigate it thru and then bring back the crew? If the computer didn’t survive, no one did. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/111 "2022-01-03T14:55:43Z")
Guessing someone had to sit there and make corrections if needed. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/112 "2022-01-03T17:09:06Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > At least in the Void episode, Burnham stayed behind because it was her duty as Captain, not because she is so special. That does make perfect sense. Regrettably what followed was a melodramatic, teary conversation with… a computer. The show had enough of people being teary, self-doubting, and melodramatic. They had to make the computer teary, self-doubting, and melodramatic? I miss Tilly, who at least was funny and played well. Replacing her with a computer’s voice and Robot Prom Date is not going well. As always, Discovery episodes are eight minutes of story jammed into 48 minutes of screen time. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/113 "2022-02-10T19:25:52Z")
_Discovery_ is back from hiatus, and they have taken this time to _really_ polish their dialogue-writing skills.: “A swamp cat could’ve learned the Hortan Hustle since I last saw you.” “This Devore scanner couldn’t pick out a Betazoid standing all alone in a Nieser cage.” “But jab a brussel fly, and I’ll scoot some greenbread. Clear?” “I heard we had Starfleet guests, so I just had to scurry like a spider cow to welcome you.” “I have missed you like a Cardassian misses cake.” “It’s true what the Elasians say. Give a man a tor-bak, and you are warm in the desert.” “I’m a banta tree either way.” “What in the katterpod and Calaman sherry is going on here?” “Act like an Armus? Swim the Porathian Ocean with weighted boots.” “And as the saying goes, to the Souvlo goes the spud.” “I played a game once at Schaefer Colony. There-there was this guy who bet it all on a new wardrobe, thinking it was his night, only to go home in the emperor’s new clothes on a flush draw.” (This was not a single conversation—but it should have been.) Also, they invented not one but two new chemical elements as plot points. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/114 "2022-02-10T19:43:24Z")
For a fun mental exercise, in my head I switched the Star Wars and Star Trek showrunners. I got an entire Trek episode shelving the main cast. Captain Lorca returns and dominates the whole ep until Archer showed up at the very end…and I got a Star Wars episode with Boba and Shand crying the whole time over those Gamoran guards. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/115 "2022-02-10T19:46:57Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > “I heard we had Starfleet guests, so I just had to scurry like a spider cow to welcome you.” Wait - they fuckin’ referenced ST: Lower Decks! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/116 "2022-02-25T01:45:19Z")
Disco is getting too terrible to even hate-watch. I now just skim tbrough episodes, which are around 80% filler. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/117 "2022-02-25T07:52:02Z")
In the episode you quoted, I’m reasonably sure the weird-ass, tortured similes were intentional. As for the rest of the badness, well, I’m equally sure that’s normal. In the latest episode, apparently there is an energy barrier around the edge of the galaxy, because reasons, I guess. Maybe it keeps all the stars from drifting away? Also, gamma-ray bursts are especially common out galactic-edge way, because of course, where the stars are thinnest is where the danger would be the greatest. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/118 "2022-02-25T08:15:54Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > In the latest episode, apparently there is an energy barrier around the edge of the galaxy, because reasons, I guess. Not to defend Discovery, but I that that’s been there since TOS. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/119 "2022-02-25T12:52:28Z")
Since the very first episode, in fact. Well, depending on how you count. After CBS rejected the first pilot and told Roddenberry to try again, he produced “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, which the network accepted. It wound up being the third episode aired, because network’s gonna network. In WNMHGB, the Enterprise encounters an energy barrier at the “edge” of the galaxy, which nearly destroys the Enterprise. And creates telepaths. For reasons. In Season 2, Episode 21, “By Any Other Name”, the barrier is referenced again. The Enterprise rescues stranded spacefarers from a planet near the galactic “edge”. They turn out to be Kelvans, aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, whose ship was destroyed by the energy barrier when they arrived in our galaxy. They take over the Enterprise, and plan to use it to return to the Andromeda galaxy. They use their advanced technology to enable the Enterprise to cross the Barrier, before being defeated by the power of [Humanity Is Infectious](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumanityIsInfectious). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597/120 "2022-02-25T12:53:16Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Disco is getting too terrible to even hate-watch. I now just skim tbrough episodes, which are around 80% filler. Accurate - I am only keeping up in case they manage to make it interesting. Sad part is - its affecting my ability to even get excited about the next Trek works - I have no desire to watch Picard 2 (picard 1 was good until the last fucking episode) and I was really lloking forward to SNW. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-discovery-season-4/954597.md?page=7)