# Star Trek: Enterprise Has Been Cancelled **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045 "2005-02-02T21:24:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/81 "2005-02-03T20:48:45Z")
I wish my Karma had run over your dogma. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/82 "2005-02-03T20:54:00Z")
**Cervaise**. I think your bad guys are called the _Yuuzhan Vong_. But you forgot to mention out the jedi. šŸ™‚ -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/83 "2005-02-03T21:05:49Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > In my hypothetical new series, a strange and powerful force invades the Federation, penetrating from the least-known quadrant of the galaxy. Which would that be? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/84 "2005-02-03T21:16:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > **Cervaise**. I think your bad guys are called the _Yuuzhan Vong_. But you forgot to mention out the jedi. šŸ™‚ Nope. Theyā€™re Solarians. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/85 "2005-02-03T21:56:52Z")
They should bring back _Gary & Mike_. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/86 "2005-02-03T22:13:29Z")
My proposed outside threat is something new and something different (and nothing so prosaic as the, uh, SWEU self-mutilators :p; itā€™s a truly alien presence like Trek rarely attempts), but rather than being another gratuitous add-on to the universe like the Suliban, thereā€™s a very good dramatic reason for the addition. Or, rather, there would have been, since I think the overall idea has been rendered obsolete now. Doesnā€™t really matter, anyway; the show wouldnā€™t be about the threat, it would be about the aftermath. And besides, like I said, _BSG_ is already doing most of what I would have wanted to do narratively, so I donā€™t see the point in dwelling too much on hashing out the details of my specific premise. My reason for offering it is simply to demonstrate that itā€™s possible, within the constraints of what we already know about the Trekverse, to do something new and interesting with it, and that as such thereā€™s no reason to hoist the gravestone just yet. (Especially a gravestone that has the wrong middle initial. ;)) Mostly I wanted to shake up the mood and get us thinking about what weā€™d _really_ like to see from a hypothetical new show, and I tossed in my description as an example of how you can make a Trek series that really is a Trek series in the Trek universe but that takes what we know and love about Trek and goes off in an unexpected but interesting direction. Thatā€™s it. Trying to get away from the funereal atmosphere and spark some creative conversation, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/87 "2005-02-03T22:31:07Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Enterprise was in many ways the best of the Trek shows, it had the twin millstones of Voyager and DS9 around its neck. Huh? Are you speaking [Dogg](http://www.bookrags.com/guides/hamletmacbeth/)? Enterprise was boring. It had no character development of _anyone_ except Tā€™Pol and Archer in S3 (Tā€™Polā€™s developments were dumb and Archerā€™s were bungled). Many of the episode concepts were dopey and almost never had anything to say at deeper levels. The acting was all one level (the fault of the plots, not the performers). Oh, and did I mention that it was stultifyingly _boring_.? Voyager didnā€™t have much character development, but most episodes in the last three seasons or so were enjoyable action stories with the occasional standout. DS9 was fantastic; after the first couple slow but thoughtful seasons they made several action-packed but thoughtful seasons and ultimately the most meaningful Trek series (although it rarely hit the glacial heights of the most excellent TNG episodes, it was oodles more consistent). Enterprise, OTOH? Boring. ā€“Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/88 "2005-02-03T22:31:57Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Thatā€™s it. Trying to get away from the funereal atmosphere and spark some creative conversation, is all. _Star Trek: Porthos Religiously_ cancelled this Fall on UPN. Join us as Rabbi Porthos and his First Officer Barfolomew sniff out new life and new circumcisions. Hoshi: ā€œSir, the Antiochā€™s are gaining.ā€ Porthos: ā€œTrop, we need more speed.ā€ Trop: ā€œSir, the dreidel, she canna spin no faster!ā€ [sub]Oh, you meant truly creative conversation. Hmmm, letā€™s seeā€¦[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/89 "2005-02-04T00:34:23Z")
Hopefully what the Star Trek franchise will learn from this is to _not_ give their shows to UPN. We donā€™t even get UPN where I live, and if you want to watch Enterprise you have to record a replay of it Sunday mornings at 12:00 AM. UPN totally bites, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/90 "2005-02-04T00:54:07Z")
If I were Paramount, Iā€™d put Trek on ice for ten years, then get a whole new writer and production team to start up something. Maybe kick things off with a movie, and then use that as the ā€œfirst episodeā€. Have things kick off after, say, some massive Q-related catastrophe that fucked things up, big timeā€¦ destroyed the Federation, subspace, timelines, whatever. A Big Cosmic Reset Button. Get Star Trek back to its rootsā€¦ exploring the strange and unknown. Erase all the crap thatā€™s accumulated. As of right now, in the Trek universe, everyone and his brother is omnipotent, there are seventeen alien species per known planet, and the Borg are the strongest, yet the weakest, monsters around. The Future Feds can do anything they wantā€¦ thereā€™s nowhere to go. Everything is headed towards one giant wankpit. Hereā€™s what they need to do: NO TIME TRAVEL. Fuck that shit. Once you open that can of worms, youā€™re screwed. Only two movie seriesā€™ in history have handled time travel well, and those were _Back to the Future_ and the _Bill & Ted_ flicks. If youā€™re not either of those, NO TIME TRAVEL. Fuck, Paramount should give me ten grand and six months, and I can plot out a bitchinā€™ storyline. But then, Iā€™m sure every fanwriter thinks thatā€¦ well, guess what? Iā€™m not a fan! ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/91 "2005-02-04T00:56:59Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > I watched TNG and ENT regularly. I was never able to watch a single full episode of any other ST series. The original gives me headaches with all the high pitched noises. I was burned out on ST after 7 fun-filled years (and a spectacular series finale) after TNG, so I wasnā€™t even interested in the ST universe _at all_ until many years had gone by, which is when ENT began, so I watched ENT. > > Because of that, I agree they should wiat 5-10 (10 would be better) years before the next one. > > But I was seriously annoyed at ENT for putting on the stupid crap they did instead of fleshing out the already established backstories of the Federation. Why didnā€™t they ever do that? > > ā€¦ > > The bastards. Iā€™d like the franchise to take a 5 year hiatus and come back with the _actual_ Enterprise series we were promised. I would have been good, dammit! I agree wholeheartedly. When I heard the premise for the series I thought that it really had the potential to be great. I donā€™t know why they didnā€™t take advantage of the chance. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/92 "2005-02-04T01:01:16Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Which would that be? New Jersey. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/93 "2005-02-04T01:09:14Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > If I were Paramount, Iā€™d put Trek on ice for ten years, But you wouldnā€™t make any money off of it. You probably wouldnā€™t have the job in ten years. Concepts Iā€™ve thought need would _Star Trek: Maquis_. Esenitally rip off _Firefly_. _Star Trek: Colony_. A miniseries. Set it before _Enterprise_. The journey of the colonists to the planet over a year long journey. The Usual Unexpected Life Form Already There. Maybe cover two of three colonies with different problems and issues. _Star Trek: Romulan War_ Enterprise era ships fighting the Romulans. No time travel is a very good idea. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/94 "2005-02-04T01:19:05Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Hereā€™s what they need to do: NO TIME TRAVEL. Very much agreed. When you start doing time travel episodes, itā€™s time to fire your writers. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/95 "2005-02-04T01:27:22Z")
[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp02032005.shtml](http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp02032005.shtml) Applies to most every fandom. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/96 "2005-02-04T01:57:31Z")
> [@](#): > > But you wouldnā€™t make any money off of it. You probably wouldnā€™t have the job in ten years. Long-term investment. Theyā€™ve already milked the cow dry for forty yearsā€¦ continuing to do so is harming their image, which is harming EVERY product they put out. Maybe ten years would be too long, but several years would be necessary. Put together a nice, quality movie, let it kickstart a new incarnation of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/97 "2005-02-04T02:20:55Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Oh, come now. We all know that **NoClueBoy** would watch _Star Trek: Porthos_ religiously. Outsideā€¦ The final frontier. These are the voyages of the Space Dog Porthos. His continuing mission, to explore strange new paths. To pee on new plants and new mailbox posts. To boldly GO where no dog has gone before. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/98 "2005-02-04T02:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > from _Cervaise_ > Anyway, the point is, I donā€™t agree that the world is played out. I think, with a willingness to go back to the drawing board and take some creative chances, thereā€™s lots of stuff you could do with the Trekverse that would be new, interesting, and exciting. I agree, and I liked your idea. Just tell them donā€™t dare give it to [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/]Paul Anderson\*\*, or weā€™ll end up with **Jem Hadar vs. Darth Vader**. (Or worseā€¦ _Tribble vs. Ewok_šŸ˜ƒ ) > [@](#): > > Basically, as much as we all complain about the Big Reset Button, thatā€™s what the artistic staff needs. :: firing up temporal vortex generator :: :: opening ā€œMake your own Temporal Incursion Rayā€ kit :: :: assembling parts :: :: heading off to 1980 to erase the Barmaga from history :: ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/99 "2005-02-04T04:21:13Z")
Hereā€™s one thing Iā€™ve ben thinking aboutā€¦ Star Trek hasnā€™t been cancelled. Just the latest series. Star Trek has been a part of TV, movies, and even books and Vegas theme hotels for as long as most of us have been alive. It permeates our sci-fi viewing culture. And it always will. A new Trek, either movie or TV series, maybe even TV movie or mini series will come along and totally blow us away once again. Or at least keep us happily occupied. As long as we find a way to keep Braga and Berman occupied with something else. My long term prediction has Manny co producing a series of made for cable movies that take advantage of his long story telling/guiding ability. Prediction? you say. Or just a wish? ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045/100 "2005-02-04T06:27:32Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > Did they reach the magic ā€œ100thā€ episode? That used to be the syndication threshold. Heh ā€¦ that threshold has long since been shattered. I remember seeing ā€œGet A Lifeā€ ā€“ which didnā€™t even make it to a third season ā€“ in syndication on USA. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise-has-been-cancelled/288045.md?page=6)